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There are plenty of times in history when puritanical movements like prohibition are not driven by older, 'conservative' folks but by young radicals, so this co

There are plenty of times in history when puritanical movements like prohibition are not driven by older, 'conservative' folks but by young radicals, so this correlation is probably pretty tenuous if it exists. Look at the Reformation in England in the 16th century for example or the rise of literal Puritanism in the following century.

eplanit 7y ago
Yes, and the "Woke" movement of today.
- tdb7893 7y ago
  Is woke puritanical? That really doesn't match my understanding of it
  - pdonis 7y ago
    Sure it is: thinking non-woke thoughts is punishable, just as the Puritans believed thinking non-Puritan thoughts was punishable.
    - tdb7893 7y ago
      I've seen that behavior in movements from veganism to pro-gun movements, are those movements puritanical? I'm just actually curious, it's just a semantic difference and I'm curious how wide of a net you cast with this term.
      - pdonis 7y ago
        > are those movements puritanical? The entire movement might not be, but the people exhibiting the behavior are. With the woke movement pretty much everyone in it seems to exhibit the behavior. The vegan or pro-gun movements, not so much; most people I've seen who are vegans or pro-gun have no interest in punishing other people for anti-vegan or anti-gun thoughts, they just want to be able to put their own beliefs into practice in their own lives without interference.
        tdb7893 7y ago
        Must be just different in experiences (or just how we define the woke movement) because I've found a lot of "woke" people to be fairly understanding but as I said that might just be the people I've met.
        rtkwe 7y ago
        I'd put decent money that most of their interactions with wokeness have been though social media where a particular brand of ride or die wokeness comes out. Partially I think because when you're arguing online it's real hard to suss out where the person you're talking to lies and a lot of people make bad faith arguments where giving any ground gets taken much further by the other side of the debate. It's much easier to hold a categorical black and white opinion than to try to defend and define a nuanced opinion, especially when you're likely going to wind up arguing with more than one person at once.

eplanit 7y ago

Yes, and the "Woke" movement of today.

tdb7893 7y ago
Is woke puritanical? That really doesn't match my understanding of it
- pdonis 7y ago
  Sure it is: thinking non-woke thoughts is punishable, just as the Puritans believed thinking non-Puritan thoughts was punishable.
  - tdb7893 7y ago
    I've seen that behavior in movements from veganism to pro-gun movements, are those movements puritanical? I'm just actually curious, it's just a semantic difference and I'm curious how wide of a net you cast with this term.
    - pdonis 7y ago
      > are those movements puritanical? The entire movement might not be, but the people exhibiting the behavior are. With the woke movement pretty much everyone in it seems to exhibit the behavior. The vegan or pro-gun movements, not so much; most people I've seen who are vegans or pro-gun have no interest in punishing other people for anti-vegan or anti-gun thoughts, they just want to be able to put their own beliefs into practice in their own lives without interference.
      - tdb7893 7y ago
        Must be just different in experiences (or just how we define the woke movement) because I've found a lot of "woke" people to be fairly understanding but as I said that might just be the people I've met.
        rtkwe 7y ago
        I'd put decent money that most of their interactions with wokeness have been though social media where a particular brand of ride or die wokeness comes out. Partially I think because when you're arguing online it's real hard to suss out where the person you're talking to lies and a lot of people make bad faith arguments where giving any ground gets taken much further by the other side of the debate. It's much easier to hold a categorical black and white opinion than to try to defend and define a nuanced opinion, especially when you're likely going to wind up arguing with more than one person at once.