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Long-term, irreversible damages to entire species and ecosystems when perhaps a non-destructive solution is close? I don't feel like reductive arguments are us

Long-term, irreversible damages to entire species and ecosystems when perhaps a non-destructive solution is close? I don't feel like reductive arguments are useful for incredibly complex systems.

_Microft 7y ago
Indeed. There is a vaccine being tested right now [0] and still a lot of potential for better coverage with insecticide treated bed nets [1][2] (which are pretty effective) and the number of Malaria cases is actually steadily decreasing [3]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTS,S https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTS,S [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosquito_net#Insecticide-treated_nets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosquito_net#Insecticide-treat... [2] https://ourworldindata.org/malaria#bed-nets https://ourworldindata.org/malaria#bed-nets [3] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/malaria-deaths-by-age https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/malaria-deaths-by-age
roywiggins 7y ago
Nobody is exactly crying for the guineaworm, and by interrupting its life cycle it may end up being eradicated.
BurningFrog 7y ago
Letting 1000+ people a day die is a non-destructive solution?
- wolco 7y ago
  You could be killing 100,000 people a day if things go differently than you expect. Caution is in order.
  - csunbird 7y ago
    I am not sure why this is downvoted, this is a legit point. If we eradicate mosquitos and they evolve to survive while creating another problem other than malaria, you literally can end up killing 100000 people every day instead of 1000.
    - stubish 7y ago
      Nobody has a way of eradicating mosquitoes. Particular species of mosquitoes are what is being targeted. It is inconceivable to me how eradicating the malaria parasite by eradicating a few of the thousands of species of mosquitoes could end up killing hundreds of thousands of people every day. The much more likely scenario is that doing nothing allows the malaria parasite to evolve into something much more deadly (and that is pretty unlikely, given how long malaria has been around).
  - BurningFrog 7y ago
    Clearly no one you know is in the malaria danger zone. Care to spell out the "100,000 people a day dying" scenario?

Long-term, irreversible damages to entire species and ecosystems when perhaps a non-destructive solution is close? I don't feel like reductive arguments are useful for incredibly complex systems.

_Microft 7y ago

Indeed. There is a vaccine being tested right now [0] and still a lot of potential for better coverage with insecticide treated bed nets [1][2] (which are pretty effective) and the number of Malaria cases is actually steadily decreasing [3]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTS,S https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTS,S [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosquito_net#Insecticide-treated_nets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosquito_net#Insecticide-treat... [2] https://ourworldindata.org/malaria#bed-nets https://ourworldindata.org/malaria#bed-nets [3] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/malaria-deaths-by-age https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/malaria-deaths-by-age

roywiggins 7y ago

Nobody is exactly crying for the guineaworm, and by interrupting its life cycle it may end up being eradicated.

BurningFrog 7y ago

Letting 1000+ people a day die is a non-destructive solution?

wolco 7y ago
You could be killing 100,000 people a day if things go differently than you expect. Caution is in order.
- csunbird 7y ago
  I am not sure why this is downvoted, this is a legit point. If we eradicate mosquitos and they evolve to survive while creating another problem other than malaria, you literally can end up killing 100000 people every day instead of 1000.
  - stubish 7y ago
    Nobody has a way of eradicating mosquitoes. Particular species of mosquitoes are what is being targeted. It is inconceivable to me how eradicating the malaria parasite by eradicating a few of the thousands of species of mosquitoes could end up killing hundreds of thousands of people every day. The much more likely scenario is that doing nothing allows the malaria parasite to evolve into something much more deadly (and that is pretty unlikely, given how long malaria has been around).
- BurningFrog 7y ago
  Clearly no one you know is in the malaria danger zone. Care to spell out the "100,000 people a day dying" scenario?