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Just four letters: GDPR. And anyway: Just because something is published only does mean that you can collect, store etc. it however you like. That is pretty bas

by chmars 7y ago

Just four letters: GDPR. And anyway: Just because something is published only does mean that you can collect, store etc. it however you like. That is pretty basic in my opinion.

banachtarski 7y ago
What does GDPR have anything to do with the parent post.
- GordonS 7y ago
  The parent post explicitly says they don't have a problem with 3rd parties storing personal information hoovered up from LinkedIn. The GDPR is very relevant here - restrictions around the storage and processing of personal information is the whole point of it. While this might seem like a grey area (given the information is public), the GDPR is actually very clear here - you cannot store and process PI without the consent of those individuals.
  - hash872 7y ago
    Not in any way shape or form defending 'Harvesting LinkedIn data'- I think it's quite bad. But I'm getting a little concerned by all these 'but GPDR!' arguments I'm seeing out there. The EU is not a world government, and the GPDR should not apply to non-EU citizens. Europe cannot regulate what I do here in America- the law is not simply applicable. (And I say this as someone that supports more tech company regulation here in the US!) Things like France trying to apply your 'right to be forgotten' to the entire world's Google search results are extremely troubling. Don't apply your country/region's laws to non-citizens, please :)
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      GDPR protects the rights of EU residents (vs only citizens). As an American, if I reside in the EU, I am protected by GDPR.
      - downandout 7y ago
        While this does not apply to LinkedIn, GDPR does not protect you at all, even if you are a full-fledged EU citizen, on sites that do not intend to serve the EU market. Mere accessibility from the EU is not enough to prove this intent. One could also argue that by having a fine structure that disproportionately affects small businesses (thus consolidating power, money, and personal data in the hands of a few large businesses), GDPR doesn't protect you even on those sites that are subject to it. Some might say that it is actually a privacy killer. But I'll leave that discussion for another day.
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        NeedMoreTea 7y ago
        > a fine structure that disproportionately affects small businesses That's simply untrue. From fines already levied we've seen small businesses getting fines of a few thousands, while BA is getting a fine of a couple of hundred million pounds.
        downandout 7y ago
        The facts are not disputable, as they are contained in the plain text of GDPR for everyone to see. The legislation allows for fines of up to 4% of global revenues, or €20 million, whichever is greater. So the “Googles” of the world face fines of no more than 4% of a single year of revenue. Small businesses face potential fines that could be 100,000% (or more) of their annual revenue, because most businesses make far less than €20 million annually. That seems like the very definition of disproportionate to me.
        NeedMoreTea 7y ago
        EU law requires that all fines and penalties be proportionate. Fining a small business 100,000% of their annual revenue is clearly not proportionate. It's groundless FUD. The proportionality is not in GDPR or any individual law, but set out in the framework treaty under which all EU laws function.
    - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
      America does this all the time though. By your reasoning, surely the DMCA should not apply to Youtube users from Europe?
      - hash872 7y ago
        (As an American) I don't think that America should have that much power, no. I'm also cautiously keeping an eye on the direction where Chinese regulation will go here too
  - banachtarski 7y ago
    > The GDPR is very relevant here If the author of the parent post isn't in Europe, why is it relevant.
    - GordonS 7y ago
      Perhaps I should have been clearer - it's very relevant here, if you are in the EU or do business in the EU.

by chmars 7y ago

Just four letters: GDPR. And anyway: Just because something is published only does mean that you can collect, store etc. it however you like. That is pretty basic in my opinion.

banachtarski 7y ago

What does GDPR have anything to do with the parent post.

GordonS 7y ago
The parent post explicitly says they don't have a problem with 3rd parties storing personal information hoovered up from LinkedIn. The GDPR is very relevant here - restrictions around the storage and processing of personal information is the whole point of it. While this might seem like a grey area (given the information is public), the GDPR is actually very clear here - you cannot store and process PI without the consent of those individuals.
- hash872 7y ago
  Not in any way shape or form defending 'Harvesting LinkedIn data'- I think it's quite bad. But I'm getting a little concerned by all these 'but GPDR!' arguments I'm seeing out there. The EU is not a world government, and the GPDR should not apply to non-EU citizens. Europe cannot regulate what I do here in America- the law is not simply applicable. (And I say this as someone that supports more tech company regulation here in the US!) Things like France trying to apply your 'right to be forgotten' to the entire world's Google search results are extremely troubling. Don't apply your country/region's laws to non-citizens, please :)
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    GDPR protects the rights of EU residents (vs only citizens). As an American, if I reside in the EU, I am protected by GDPR.
    - downandout 7y ago
      While this does not apply to LinkedIn, GDPR does not protect you at all, even if you are a full-fledged EU citizen, on sites that do not intend to serve the EU market. Mere accessibility from the EU is not enough to prove this intent. One could also argue that by having a fine structure that disproportionately affects small businesses (thus consolidating power, money, and personal data in the hands of a few large businesses), GDPR doesn't protect you even on those sites that are subject to it. Some might say that it is actually a privacy killer. But I'll leave that discussion for another day.
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      - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
        > a fine structure that disproportionately affects small businesses That's simply untrue. From fines already levied we've seen small businesses getting fines of a few thousands, while BA is getting a fine of a couple of hundred million pounds.
        downandout 7y ago
        The facts are not disputable, as they are contained in the plain text of GDPR for everyone to see. The legislation allows for fines of up to 4% of global revenues, or €20 million, whichever is greater. So the “Googles” of the world face fines of no more than 4% of a single year of revenue. Small businesses face potential fines that could be 100,000% (or more) of their annual revenue, because most businesses make far less than €20 million annually. That seems like the very definition of disproportionate to me.
        NeedMoreTea 7y ago
        EU law requires that all fines and penalties be proportionate. Fining a small business 100,000% of their annual revenue is clearly not proportionate. It's groundless FUD. The proportionality is not in GDPR or any individual law, but set out in the framework treaty under which all EU laws function.
  - NeedMoreTea 7y ago
    America does this all the time though. By your reasoning, surely the DMCA should not apply to Youtube users from Europe?
    - hash872 7y ago
      (As an American) I don't think that America should have that much power, no. I'm also cautiously keeping an eye on the direction where Chinese regulation will go here too
- banachtarski 7y ago
  > The GDPR is very relevant here If the author of the parent post isn't in Europe, why is it relevant.
  - GordonS 7y ago
    Perhaps I should have been clearer - it's very relevant here, if you are in the EU or do business in the EU.