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I find it odd that people make such a big deal about the failed "mind control" programs, while ignoring the ones that were disturbingly successful: https://en.

I find it odd that people make such a big deal about the failed "mind control" programs, while ignoring the ones that were disturbingly successful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Manuel_Rodr%C3%ADguez_Delgado https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Manuel_Rodr%C3%ADgue...

Synaesthesia 7y ago
They were “mind control” but also torture and interrogation techniques. Some very disturbing and immoral experiments like dosing people unknowingly, torturing people with them, playing loops repeatedly etc.
dr_dshiv 7y ago
Yes! Great reference. I mean, a hell of a lot of fundamental research is beyond ethics. Maybe the CIA has an island somewhere?
- jedmeyers 7y ago
  > Maybe the CIA has an island somewhere? Where they invite prominent figures and then record them doing nefarious things in order to ‘mind’ control them later? Nah, this is conspiracy theories territory.
  - shredprez 7y ago
    Agreed. That's what Epstein's private jet was for.
yters 7y ago
Interesting, wonder if we could modulate the electric grid and influence the emotions of a nation?
- 2mc84j395hn663h 7y ago
  Some doctors (many disagree) speculate that microwave weapons are the "prime suspect" in Cuba's [1] and China's [2] embassy attacks in the recent years. What struck me in the article was Frey's: “Based on what I know, it will remain a mystery.” I am skeptic on the fact that it was specifically microwaves (but also on the hypothesis it was crickets [3]), but who knows? From what we know whole-nation influence trough electrical grid seems far-fetched, but if trough EM radiation you could trigger action potentials in the auditory system, maybe it would be possible to do that to the limbic system as well. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/01/science/sonic-attack-cuba-microwave.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/01/science/sonic-attack-cuba... [2] https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/06/more-americans-in-china-say-theyre-victims-of-mysterious-health-attacks/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/06/more-americans-in-ch... [3] https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/01/canada-halves-diplomatic-staff-in-cuba-after-another-mysterious-brain-injury/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/01/canada-halves-diplom...
- rolph 7y ago
  yes and more. There are a large number of routers that are designed to revert to a backup copy of firmware and configuration. An attack would involve making electrical service cycle its voltage 3 times in succession, thus causing reversion to a default mode. The majority of routers would be in Out of the Box State, and highly pwnable. It is very conveinient that 3phase power can provide 3 surges of ~60vac if the correct attack is used on a generation station, or inter-tie station. if you are of the 3rd party firmware persuasion, you should flash your router configure, and then flash again, so your backup will be a secure firmware with a secure configuration. Among the things router manufacturers should do is change this aforementioned behaviour to something like 5 failed reboot attempts in succession, rather than 3 reboot attempts.
  - clipboardisfull 7y ago
    Where could I read more on that firmware reversion hack? I searched what was quoted, but it only ties back to your post.
    - rolph 7y ago
      The sort of evil hack that can occur, was not possible until it became possible for the control systems of industrial settings to be hacked, by foriegn or domestic elements. I live in a place that has very inconsistent power and i use a UPS to feed my router, that is also a way to mitigate a hack of this sort. Keep in mind that power generation has to be hacked and manipulated, and the major hack would be a followup or an opportunist piggybacking on the first attack, sniffing the DSL environment for open router ports, and exploiting. have a look here Re firmware and model compatabilities: https://openwrt.org/toh/start https://openwrt.org/toh/start this is a table of compatible devices and firmware. The site itself is about open WRT and hosts "apps" to run on your router as network services. It is possible to turn your router into something other than a router [including a paper wieght if your not careful] so read up on what you have, what you want to do, and what you need to do that. keep in mind im trying to be as general as possible, so you need to do a bit of reading about your router, and what options you have. make sure you have a backup router, and or all your ducks in a row, as you will not have a router if something goes wrong. The revert feature is usefull if you have that sort of router, the feature itsself is not a bad[evil] thing, the problem is that sucessive power cycling can revert your router to factory configuration and leave your system quite vulnerable to followup attack. this is why you make sure you know what you are doing, flash your router properly, configure it to be secure but open to you , then flash it again with the same firmware and configure it. if it all works properly, you will have a router that reverts to a secure firmware and configuration, instead of factory firmware. such a router will have two instances of flashed firmware and you can toggle between the instances by flicking the power switch [3times] rapidly so you produce 3 boot failures. this is true in the case of linksys routers and many others but not all, so read often, implement successfully the first time. The sort of evil hack that can occur, was not possible until it became possible for the control systems of industrial settings to be hacked, by foriegn or domestic elements. I live in a place that has very inconsistent power and i use a UPS to feed my router, that is also a way to mitigate a hack of this sort. Keep in mind that power generation has to be hacked and manipulated, and the major hack would be a followup or an opportunist piggybacking on the first attack, sniffing the DSL environment for open router ports. so how does this fit into the original topic? When you interrupt power and cause blackouts you create an opportunity for F.U.D. secondarily messing around with everyones router at gross scale furthers the FUD and opens the door for MITM and consequent manipulation of psychological/ emotional state.
keiru 7y ago
secret mind control programs. The human brain, being a computer, is expected to be alterable. But the extent of secrecy, shadiness and memory-holing of secret government programs never ceases to amaze.

Synaesthesia 7y ago

They were “mind control” but also torture and interrogation techniques. Some very disturbing and immoral experiments like dosing people unknowingly, torturing people with them, playing loops repeatedly etc.

dr_dshiv 7y ago

Yes! Great reference. I mean, a hell of a lot of fundamental research is beyond ethics. Maybe the CIA has an island somewhere?

jedmeyers 7y ago
> Maybe the CIA has an island somewhere? Where they invite prominent figures and then record them doing nefarious things in order to ‘mind’ control them later? Nah, this is conspiracy theories territory.
- shredprez 7y ago
  Agreed. That's what Epstein's private jet was for.

yters 7y ago

Interesting, wonder if we could modulate the electric grid and influence the emotions of a nation?

2mc84j395hn663h 7y ago
Some doctors (many disagree) speculate that microwave weapons are the "prime suspect" in Cuba's [1] and China's [2] embassy attacks in the recent years. What struck me in the article was Frey's: “Based on what I know, it will remain a mystery.” I am skeptic on the fact that it was specifically microwaves (but also on the hypothesis it was crickets [3]), but who knows? From what we know whole-nation influence trough electrical grid seems far-fetched, but if trough EM radiation you could trigger action potentials in the auditory system, maybe it would be possible to do that to the limbic system as well. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/01/science/sonic-attack-cuba-microwave.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/01/science/sonic-attack-cuba... [2] https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/06/more-americans-in-china-say-theyre-victims-of-mysterious-health-attacks/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/06/more-americans-in-ch... [3] https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/01/canada-halves-diplomatic-staff-in-cuba-after-another-mysterious-brain-injury/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/01/canada-halves-diplom...
rolph 7y ago
yes and more. There are a large number of routers that are designed to revert to a backup copy of firmware and configuration. An attack would involve making electrical service cycle its voltage 3 times in succession, thus causing reversion to a default mode. The majority of routers would be in Out of the Box State, and highly pwnable. It is very conveinient that 3phase power can provide 3 surges of ~60vac if the correct attack is used on a generation station, or inter-tie station. if you are of the 3rd party firmware persuasion, you should flash your router configure, and then flash again, so your backup will be a secure firmware with a secure configuration. Among the things router manufacturers should do is change this aforementioned behaviour to something like 5 failed reboot attempts in succession, rather than 3 reboot attempts.
- clipboardisfull 7y ago
  Where could I read more on that firmware reversion hack? I searched what was quoted, but it only ties back to your post.
  - rolph 7y ago
    The sort of evil hack that can occur, was not possible until it became possible for the control systems of industrial settings to be hacked, by foriegn or domestic elements. I live in a place that has very inconsistent power and i use a UPS to feed my router, that is also a way to mitigate a hack of this sort. Keep in mind that power generation has to be hacked and manipulated, and the major hack would be a followup or an opportunist piggybacking on the first attack, sniffing the DSL environment for open router ports, and exploiting. have a look here Re firmware and model compatabilities: https://openwrt.org/toh/start https://openwrt.org/toh/start this is a table of compatible devices and firmware. The site itself is about open WRT and hosts "apps" to run on your router as network services. It is possible to turn your router into something other than a router [including a paper wieght if your not careful] so read up on what you have, what you want to do, and what you need to do that. keep in mind im trying to be as general as possible, so you need to do a bit of reading about your router, and what options you have. make sure you have a backup router, and or all your ducks in a row, as you will not have a router if something goes wrong. The revert feature is usefull if you have that sort of router, the feature itsself is not a bad[evil] thing, the problem is that sucessive power cycling can revert your router to factory configuration and leave your system quite vulnerable to followup attack. this is why you make sure you know what you are doing, flash your router properly, configure it to be secure but open to you , then flash it again with the same firmware and configure it. if it all works properly, you will have a router that reverts to a secure firmware and configuration, instead of factory firmware. such a router will have two instances of flashed firmware and you can toggle between the instances by flicking the power switch [3times] rapidly so you produce 3 boot failures. this is true in the case of linksys routers and many others but not all, so read often, implement successfully the first time. The sort of evil hack that can occur, was not possible until it became possible for the control systems of industrial settings to be hacked, by foriegn or domestic elements. I live in a place that has very inconsistent power and i use a UPS to feed my router, that is also a way to mitigate a hack of this sort. Keep in mind that power generation has to be hacked and manipulated, and the major hack would be a followup or an opportunist piggybacking on the first attack, sniffing the DSL environment for open router ports. so how does this fit into the original topic? When you interrupt power and cause blackouts you create an opportunity for F.U.D. secondarily messing around with everyones router at gross scale furthers the FUD and opens the door for MITM and consequent manipulation of psychological/ emotional state.

keiru 7y ago

secret mind control programs. The human brain, being a computer, is expected to be alterable. But the extent of secrecy, shadiness and memory-holing of secret government programs never ceases to amaze.