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Fairphone has had very solid software support. It is together with Nexus and Oneplus the hardware most enthusiasts choose, so there is a functioning community a

Fairphone has had very solid software support. It is together with Nexus and Oneplus the hardware most enthusiasts choose, so there is a functioning community around it. It is not only well supported in LineageOS, but also most alternative phone OSes such as UBports (Ubuntu Touch), Sailfish and postmarketOS have or have had people actively using the hardware. It's quite a good track record considering the Fairphone 2 is already twice the age the minimum software update guarantee from Google for their own hardware.

jsingleton 7y ago
I'd say a Fairphone is better supported than a Nexus (no experience with Oneplus). For example, the Nexus 5 is no longer supported, even by lineage (https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/hammerhead/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/hammerhead/), although they do say: > A build guide is available for developers that would like to make private builds, or even restart official support. Edit: I should add that although I've already ordered my Fairphone 3 I've not had a chance to actually test it out yet. If anyone is interested I can post a 25 EUR discount referral link?
- johnday 7y ago
  I currently use the Oneplus One, ie the first phone they brought out, 5 years ago. It still has lineageOS support.
- opan 7y ago
  The Nexus 5 is one of the best supported devices for running postmarketOS right now.
- Woberto 7y ago
  I'd be interested! Thinking of getting one even though I'm in the US, I've heard with tmobile you can get 3g which is aight
  - jsingleton 7y ago
    http://fairphone.refr.cc/jamess http://fairphone.refr.cc/jamess I'm not sure they are supported in the US but it looks like you are well aware of that.
Brakenshire 7y ago
Is that really support throughout the stack? I understand they can provide userland updates, but kernel and driver updates? I’m not sure it’s possible for anyone apart from the chip manufacturer to do that, unless the drivers are open source.
tgsovlerkhgsel 7y ago
Does it receive real security updates (i.e. all the CVEs that are supposed to be fixed by that patch level are actually fixed), or "whatever we can reasonably fix" updates where e.g. the kernel is left on an outdated version without fixes because the fixes never got backported and upgrading the kernel is impossible due to limited support from e.g. the SoC vendor? https://www.wired.com/story/android-phones-hide-missed-security-updates-from-you/ https://www.wired.com/story/android-phones-hide-missed-secur...
freehunter 7y ago
Absolutely not. I don't download Windows updates from "enthusiasts" or "the community", and I don't consider community security patches to be "solid software support". There's nothing wrong with LineageOS and I'm not criticizing their work. They do a great job keeping phones supported past the time when manufacturers have dropped support. But the Android community is far too willing to trust ROMs downloaded from forums that include who-knows-what and calling it "solid software support". Solid software support is updates from the manufacturer, the company I originally trusted to provide updates when I bought the phone. If I have to rely on the work of people who once called themselves "Team Douche" [1] because the company who released the original software has stopped support, I'm not considering that "solid software support". [1] https://www.talkandroid.com/16074-modders-round-table-with-team-douche-makers-of-cyanogenmod/ https://www.talkandroid.com/16074-modders-round-table-with-t...
- tracker1 7y ago
  But Debian images are from enthusiasts and the community. Also, your windows updates don't come from HP, and they often break things. Lineage isn't much different than most Linux distributions. My guess is maybe you'd be happier with an iThing.
- secondtom 7y ago
  Conflating LineageOS with forum sourced ROMs is FUD, and the vast majority of servers are run on software from the efforts of the "the community".
  - CDSlice 7y ago
    You mean the community of companies that pay people to work on Linux? Most people working on it today aren't volunteers
  - freehunter 7y ago
    >Conflating LineageOS with forum sourced ROMs is FUD Nonsense. CyanogenMod started off as a forum-sourced ROM on XDA just like anything else [1]. It may have grown beyond that, but only because people blindly trusted it and installed it on their phones 10 years ago, and XDA is still distributing hacked ROMs in the exact same fashion today. [1] https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204 https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204

jsingleton 7y ago

I'd say a Fairphone is better supported than a Nexus (no experience with Oneplus). For example, the Nexus 5 is no longer supported, even by lineage (https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/hammerhead/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/hammerhead/), although they do say: > A build guide is available for developers that would like to make private builds, or even restart official support. Edit: I should add that although I've already ordered my Fairphone 3 I've not had a chance to actually test it out yet. If anyone is interested I can post a 25 EUR discount referral link?

johnday 7y ago
I currently use the Oneplus One, ie the first phone they brought out, 5 years ago. It still has lineageOS support.
opan 7y ago
The Nexus 5 is one of the best supported devices for running postmarketOS right now.
Woberto 7y ago
I'd be interested! Thinking of getting one even though I'm in the US, I've heard with tmobile you can get 3g which is aight
- jsingleton 7y ago
  http://fairphone.refr.cc/jamess http://fairphone.refr.cc/jamess I'm not sure they are supported in the US but it looks like you are well aware of that.

Brakenshire 7y ago

Is that really support throughout the stack? I understand they can provide userland updates, but kernel and driver updates? I’m not sure it’s possible for anyone apart from the chip manufacturer to do that, unless the drivers are open source.

tgsovlerkhgsel 7y ago

Does it receive real security updates (i.e. all the CVEs that are supposed to be fixed by that patch level are actually fixed), or "whatever we can reasonably fix" updates where e.g. the kernel is left on an outdated version without fixes because the fixes never got backported and upgrading the kernel is impossible due to limited support from e.g. the SoC vendor? https://www.wired.com/story/android-phones-hide-missed-security-updates-from-you/ https://www.wired.com/story/android-phones-hide-missed-secur...

freehunter 7y ago

Absolutely not. I don't download Windows updates from "enthusiasts" or "the community", and I don't consider community security patches to be "solid software support". There's nothing wrong with LineageOS and I'm not criticizing their work. They do a great job keeping phones supported past the time when manufacturers have dropped support. But the Android community is far too willing to trust ROMs downloaded from forums that include who-knows-what and calling it "solid software support". Solid software support is updates from the manufacturer, the company I originally trusted to provide updates when I bought the phone. If I have to rely on the work of people who once called themselves "Team Douche" [1] because the company who released the original software has stopped support, I'm not considering that "solid software support". [1] https://www.talkandroid.com/16074-modders-round-table-with-team-douche-makers-of-cyanogenmod/ https://www.talkandroid.com/16074-modders-round-table-with-t...

tracker1 7y ago
But Debian images are from enthusiasts and the community. Also, your windows updates don't come from HP, and they often break things. Lineage isn't much different than most Linux distributions. My guess is maybe you'd be happier with an iThing.
secondtom 7y ago
Conflating LineageOS with forum sourced ROMs is FUD, and the vast majority of servers are run on software from the efforts of the "the community".
- CDSlice 7y ago
  You mean the community of companies that pay people to work on Linux? Most people working on it today aren't volunteers
- freehunter 7y ago
  >Conflating LineageOS with forum sourced ROMs is FUD Nonsense. CyanogenMod started off as a forum-sourced ROM on XDA just like anything else [1]. It may have grown beyond that, but only because people blindly trusted it and installed it on their phones 10 years ago, and XDA is still distributing hacked ROMs in the exact same fashion today. [1] https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204 https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204