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> I'm in the US, but my understanding is that the public gets a minimum level of heathcare, provided by the state. You can additionally decide to pay extra mone

by kaibee 7y ago

> I'm in the US, but my understanding is that the public gets a minimum level of heathcare, provided by the state. You can additionally decide to pay extra money for fancier care if you want more than what you're getting. Sorry if this comes off as snarky but, "fancier care" like, for example, the required dose of insulin? http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/another-person-has-died-from-rationing-insulin.html http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/another-person-has-di...

steveklabnik 7y ago
It’s not snarky at all; this is an issue that affects me personally, my partner is type 1 and so I interface with this particularly disgusting aspect of American healthcare all the time. I could rant endlessly about how much of a travesty “care” for folks with diabetes in the US, especially compared to Europe. I think you’ve misunderstood my comment though; I’m saying that’s how it works in many countries, and not in the US. The US clearly does not offer an acceptable base minimum of healthcare to its citizens. (EDIT: It's also a shame you've been downvoted, though, I think that this is a completely reasonable reading of my comment, even though it's not what I meant.) I personally am of the “Medicare for all is not enough” persuasion. I’m left by European standards, and off the charts for the US.
- RHSeeger 7y ago
  Thanks for the clarification. I misread your comment, too, so odds are it wasn't as clear as it could be.
  - steveklabnik 7y ago
    Yeah, I totally get it now; it's kinda funny because I don't think of the ACA as even being universal healthcare, so what I was trying to say was "I live in the US so I don't know as much about Europe's various healthcare systems as folks who live there, but this is what I know about it", thinking it would be obvious. Oh well! I'll be more careful next time.
- vonmoltke 7y ago
  > I personally am of the “Medicare for all is not enough” persuasion. In what ways is "Medicare for all" not the "acceptable base minimum" you refer to?
  - steveklabnik 7y ago
    Not in amount, but in degree; I would want a higher level of care than Medicare. That being said, "Medicare for all" is kind of a slogan, rather than a single, uniform plan. Obviously it all boils down to the details. All people should get the care they need without fear of being bankrupt.

by kaibee 7y ago

steveklabnik 7y ago

It’s not snarky at all; this is an issue that affects me personally, my partner is type 1 and so I interface with this particularly disgusting aspect of American healthcare all the time. I could rant endlessly about how much of a travesty “care” for folks with diabetes in the US, especially compared to Europe. I think you’ve misunderstood my comment though; I’m saying that’s how it works in many countries, and not in the US. The US clearly does not offer an acceptable base minimum of healthcare to its citizens. (EDIT: It's also a shame you've been downvoted, though, I think that this is a completely reasonable reading of my comment, even though it's not what I meant.) I personally am of the “Medicare for all is not enough” persuasion. I’m left by European standards, and off the charts for the US.

RHSeeger 7y ago
Thanks for the clarification. I misread your comment, too, so odds are it wasn't as clear as it could be.
- steveklabnik 7y ago
  Yeah, I totally get it now; it's kinda funny because I don't think of the ACA as even being universal healthcare, so what I was trying to say was "I live in the US so I don't know as much about Europe's various healthcare systems as folks who live there, but this is what I know about it", thinking it would be obvious. Oh well! I'll be more careful next time.
vonmoltke 7y ago
> I personally am of the “Medicare for all is not enough” persuasion. In what ways is "Medicare for all" not the "acceptable base minimum" you refer to?
- steveklabnik 7y ago
  Not in amount, but in degree; I would want a higher level of care than Medicare. That being said, "Medicare for all" is kind of a slogan, rather than a single, uniform plan. Obviously it all boils down to the details. All people should get the care they need without fear of being bankrupt.