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At our house, because I like new gadgets and my wife doesn't care, I have typically gotten a new phone every 2 years, and handed my old one to her to use for 2

At our house, because I like new gadgets and my wife doesn't care, I have typically gotten a new phone every 2 years, and handed my old one to her to use for 2 more. Then we fucked up the supply chain by breaking two phones in fairly quick succession. :( She's on a 6S, and I have an 8. Both are about 2 years old now. I love to shift to FaceID on a X-style phone, and I'm a big amateur photographer, so holy crap the photo magic in the 11 Pro is SERIOUSLY tempting even though, at this point, there's absolutely nothing wrong with my 8 aside from the lack of FaceID. Affording it isn't an issue. I've just finally gotten old enough that "new gadget" isn't quite the slam-dunk idea it once was. LOL. OTOH, reloading the supply line with staggered phones is probably not a terrible idea...

WA 7y ago
I have an iPhone XS Max. FaceID is nice. The camera is good, no question. It is enough for me and for most people. But don't buy too much into the shit Apple tells about their cameras. After I got the XS Max a year ago, I was seriously unimpressed. They overpromised and underdelivered on the capabilities of the camera. Don't get me wrong. It's a good camera, probably the best in a phone, but boy, the "magical" portrait mode has its glitches. In 10-20% of the portrait photos, the camera/software has trouble detecting what's in the background and what not. Studio lighting sounds impressive, but I honestly never use it. It looks too artificial for my taste. Sure thing, you can get decent photos with the iPhone XS Max, but the improvement compared to an iPhone 8 is a LOT less than what Apple says it is. I guess I would be more impressed if they didn't frame it as some "camera that pro's use instead of their DSLR" or whatever they said in the marketing campaign.
- ubermonkey 7y ago
  "But don't buy too much into the shit Apple tells about their cameras." I guess I don't know what that means. Any statement by a manufacturer is self-serving and should generally be taken with lots of salt. 3rd party reviews from trusted sites are more useful. "Don't get me wrong. It's a good camera, probably the best in a phone" So bugs exist but it's still "probably the best in a phone?" What's the issue, then? "didn't frame it as some "camera that pro's use instead of their DSLR" or whatever they said in the marketing campaign" Have they actually suggested that there exists any real pattern of professionals -- who, above all, tend to shoot in camera RAW, which Apple obscures in iOS -- using iPhones in lieu of full-frame DSLR or mirrorless bodies? Because I sure haven't seen it. A modern, higher end smartphone is probably a better camera than any fixed-lens option from 3-5 years ago. And, increasingly, that means it's plenty enough camera for most people. But it's nowhere nearly as capable as my Sony. OTOH, I've seen shots with the X and later iterations (by humans I know, not a marketing department) that were genuinely better, to my eye, than what I get out of my 8. That's appealing. The other factor for us is the continued existence of the 6S in our family. The 8's camera is materially better than the one in my wife's 6S, and this matters since we both take pics of friends and family and vacations. Moving her to the 8 and me to an 11 Pro would mean a net uptick in group photo quality. Win!

WA 7y ago

I have an iPhone XS Max. FaceID is nice. The camera is good, no question. It is enough for me and for most people. But don't buy too much into the shit Apple tells about their cameras. After I got the XS Max a year ago, I was seriously unimpressed. They overpromised and underdelivered on the capabilities of the camera. Don't get me wrong. It's a good camera, probably the best in a phone, but boy, the "magical" portrait mode has its glitches. In 10-20% of the portrait photos, the camera/software has trouble detecting what's in the background and what not. Studio lighting sounds impressive, but I honestly never use it. It looks too artificial for my taste. Sure thing, you can get decent photos with the iPhone XS Max, but the improvement compared to an iPhone 8 is a LOT less than what Apple says it is. I guess I would be more impressed if they didn't frame it as some "camera that pro's use instead of their DSLR" or whatever they said in the marketing campaign.

ubermonkey 7y ago
"But don't buy too much into the shit Apple tells about their cameras." I guess I don't know what that means. Any statement by a manufacturer is self-serving and should generally be taken with lots of salt. 3rd party reviews from trusted sites are more useful. "Don't get me wrong. It's a good camera, probably the best in a phone" So bugs exist but it's still "probably the best in a phone?" What's the issue, then? "didn't frame it as some "camera that pro's use instead of their DSLR" or whatever they said in the marketing campaign" Have they actually suggested that there exists any real pattern of professionals -- who, above all, tend to shoot in camera RAW, which Apple obscures in iOS -- using iPhones in lieu of full-frame DSLR or mirrorless bodies? Because I sure haven't seen it. A modern, higher end smartphone is probably a better camera than any fixed-lens option from 3-5 years ago. And, increasingly, that means it's plenty enough camera for most people. But it's nowhere nearly as capable as my Sony. OTOH, I've seen shots with the X and later iterations (by humans I know, not a marketing department) that were genuinely better, to my eye, than what I get out of my 8. That's appealing. The other factor for us is the continued existence of the 6S in our family. The 8's camera is materially better than the one in my wife's 6S, and this matters since we both take pics of friends and family and vacations. Moving her to the 8 and me to an 11 Pro would mean a net uptick in group photo quality. Win!