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How decisions are made in Mozilla? By whom? Is there public discussion beforehand?

gcp 7y ago
This has been tested and debated for months. Initial support for Firefox rolled out 9 months ago or so: https://miketabor.com/enable-dns-over-https-and-encrypted-sni-in-firefox/ https://miketabor.com/enable-dns-over-https-and-encrypted-sn... The conclusion of the debate was that it vastly improves the privacy for most users. Which is why it shipped in Firefox. Take that into account when you read (misleading, factually wrong) push-back like the original article.
- gcp 7y ago
  First announcements were even longer ago: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/05/a-cartoon-intro-to-dns-over-https/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/05/a-cartoon-intro-to-dns-ove...
- auslander 7y ago
  > The conclusion of the debate Obviously debate is still on, as we see in here and in [0], and it looks like HN folks are not in favour of these integrations, including me. So question stands, how/why the debate was concluded, did all developers had a vote? Is there a link to discussion? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20927832 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20927832
  - gcp 7y ago
    >it looks like HN folks are not in favour of these integrations, including me. I have no idea why you think that random HN discussion afterwards (in response to an article filled with misinformation!) would have any bearing on how Firefox is developed. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/governance/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/governance/ >Is there a link to discussion? There's been about 1.5 year of extended discussion and iteration over DoH, yes. I'm sorry but there certainly isn't just a "single" link!
garganzol 7y ago
Decisions are made by Google and then handed to Mozilla through a shady process called collusion. The aim of this process is to play a two-step game in which: 1. A controversial change is made by either party (be it Google or Mozilla) 2. Another party does the same, thus cementing the planned direction In this way, it becomes a weapon of mass control because most people do not know that both parties participate in a shady scheme backed by millions of dollars.

gcp 7y ago

This has been tested and debated for months. Initial support for Firefox rolled out 9 months ago or so: https://miketabor.com/enable-dns-over-https-and-encrypted-sni-in-firefox/ https://miketabor.com/enable-dns-over-https-and-encrypted-sn... The conclusion of the debate was that it vastly improves the privacy for most users. Which is why it shipped in Firefox. Take that into account when you read (misleading, factually wrong) push-back like the original article.

gcp 7y ago
First announcements were even longer ago: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/05/a-cartoon-intro-to-dns-over-https/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/05/a-cartoon-intro-to-dns-ove...
auslander 7y ago
> The conclusion of the debate Obviously debate is still on, as we see in here and in [0], and it looks like HN folks are not in favour of these integrations, including me. So question stands, how/why the debate was concluded, did all developers had a vote? Is there a link to discussion? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20927832 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20927832
- gcp 7y ago
  >it looks like HN folks are not in favour of these integrations, including me. I have no idea why you think that random HN discussion afterwards (in response to an article filled with misinformation!) would have any bearing on how Firefox is developed. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/governance/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/governance/ >Is there a link to discussion? There's been about 1.5 year of extended discussion and iteration over DoH, yes. I'm sorry but there certainly isn't just a "single" link!

garganzol 7y ago

Decisions are made by Google and then handed to Mozilla through a shady process called collusion. The aim of this process is to play a two-step game in which: 1. A controversial change is made by either party (be it Google or Mozilla) 2. Another party does the same, thus cementing the planned direction In this way, it becomes a weapon of mass control because most people do not know that both parties participate in a shady scheme backed by millions of dollars.