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And you, IMHO, are not right. I read both the Telegraph & Guardian online. I find - at least with brexit - that there's a plurality of opinion in the Telegraph

by jajag 7y ago

And you, IMHO, are not right. I read both the Telegraph & Guardian online. I find - at least with brexit - that there's a plurality of opinion in the Telegraph that the Guardian doesn't have (for example, regular articles from anti-brexit voices such as Irish senator Neale Richmond, or EU figures like Barnier). The Guardian is like an echo chamber in comparison, with only its Economic's editor Larry Elliot offering anything against the grain. Honestly, if you think the Telegraph is hard-right, then you're much harder left than you're letting on.

mattmanser 7y ago
I'm definitely not, I wonder if you know any lefties at all. At the moment, compare the headlines, lead stories on the Telegraph to the Guardian. Here's the Telegraph: Backlash as No 10 questions impartiality of Scottish judges The Scottish court prorogation ruling shows the anti-Brexit Establishment is hard at work Remainers are confirming Leave voters' worst fears by trying to litigate Brexit to death None of that is impartial, it's all highly emotive and extremely biased. The Telegraph is sounding more and more like a hard-right red top. Compare that to the Guardian right now: No 10 resists demands to recall parliament after Scottish prorogation ruling Scottish court ruling: what happens next in prorogation dispute Nigel Farage 'won't be allowed anywhere near government', say Tories All unbiased, fact based, impartial.
- jajag 7y ago
  Well if you're going to take your headlines from the comment section of the Telegraph, but the news section of the Guardian, then of course they look partial. How about these other headlines from the current Guardian? "Tom Watson is wrong. We need an election first – and then a second referendum" "'People's PMQs': just more trolling from PM Smirky McSmirkface" "Boris Johnson and the crown: a clear abuse of power" And anyway, my point was that you get a greater range of opinion in the Telegraph than the Guardian. Plus, just because you disagree with something - i.e. Brexit in this case - doesn't mean that the people you disagree with are hard-right or hard anything.
NeedMoreTea 7y ago
The Guardian has had a great ongoing series of Brexit pieces from Michel Barnier, Irish perspectives, frequently fascinating views from academics, economists and politicians around the world. Opinion has varied widely, depending on who, which at times has been most frustrating. It's been possible to read two opinion slots, from different authors, on the same front page with opposite Brexit hopes. :)
dTal 7y ago
There is literally no (mainstream, "respectable") newspaper in the UK more nakedly partisan than the Telegraph. People actually call it "The Torygraph". If you don't think the Telegraph is hard-right, I shudder to imagine what you consider that to be. The Guardian is the only remaining newspaper I trust to be unaffected by UK government agenda.
- zaroth 7y ago
  And how do the revelations from TFA play into that trust? It seems to me that the Guardian is highly compromised.
- jajag 7y ago
  "The Guardian is the only remaining newspaper I trust to be unaffected by UK government agenda." - presumably that wouldn't be the case if Labour were in power?

by jajag 7y ago

mattmanser 7y ago

I'm definitely not, I wonder if you know any lefties at all. At the moment, compare the headlines, lead stories on the Telegraph to the Guardian. Here's the Telegraph: Backlash as No 10 questions impartiality of Scottish judges The Scottish court prorogation ruling shows the anti-Brexit Establishment is hard at work Remainers are confirming Leave voters' worst fears by trying to litigate Brexit to death None of that is impartial, it's all highly emotive and extremely biased. The Telegraph is sounding more and more like a hard-right red top. Compare that to the Guardian right now: No 10 resists demands to recall parliament after Scottish prorogation ruling Scottish court ruling: what happens next in prorogation dispute Nigel Farage 'won't be allowed anywhere near government', say Tories All unbiased, fact based, impartial.

jajag 7y ago
Well if you're going to take your headlines from the comment section of the Telegraph, but the news section of the Guardian, then of course they look partial. How about these other headlines from the current Guardian? "Tom Watson is wrong. We need an election first – and then a second referendum" "'People's PMQs': just more trolling from PM Smirky McSmirkface" "Boris Johnson and the crown: a clear abuse of power" And anyway, my point was that you get a greater range of opinion in the Telegraph than the Guardian. Plus, just because you disagree with something - i.e. Brexit in this case - doesn't mean that the people you disagree with are hard-right or hard anything.

NeedMoreTea 7y ago

The Guardian has had a great ongoing series of Brexit pieces from Michel Barnier, Irish perspectives, frequently fascinating views from academics, economists and politicians around the world. Opinion has varied widely, depending on who, which at times has been most frustrating. It's been possible to read two opinion slots, from different authors, on the same front page with opposite Brexit hopes. :)

dTal 7y ago

There is literally no (mainstream, "respectable") newspaper in the UK more nakedly partisan than the Telegraph. People actually call it "The Torygraph". If you don't think the Telegraph is hard-right, I shudder to imagine what you consider that to be. The Guardian is the only remaining newspaper I trust to be unaffected by UK government agenda.

zaroth 7y ago
And how do the revelations from TFA play into that trust? It seems to me that the Guardian is highly compromised.
jajag 7y ago
"The Guardian is the only remaining newspaper I trust to be unaffected by UK government agenda." - presumably that wouldn't be the case if Labour were in power?