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This misses the forest for the trees. In the UK ISPs are already legally mandated to log your web requests and provide them to the government. Those who live un
by mantap 7y ago
This misses the forest for the trees. In the UK ISPs are already legally mandated to log your web requests and provide them to the government. Those who live under free regimes should not deny those of us who live under oppressive governments the right to privacy of our communications. The fact that cloudflare is a US entity and thus not subject to UK law is the whole point.
- chopin 7y agoAs far as I understood the OP is that it shouldn't be the default. If you worry for your government, you should use a VPN anyway (where possible which is the case for UK afaik).
- mantap 7y agoWhy shouldn't it be the default? Switzerland has a population 8 million. Why should the default be geared towards a small minority when there are billions of people not just in the UK but in Asia and Africa who would benefit from this feature. If they OP thinks that their country's laws are strong enough to make the feature unnecessary then they can turn it off.
- tadzik_ 7y ago> Those who live under free regimes should not deny those of us who live under oppressive governments the right to privacy of our communications And those who live under oppresive governments should not be an excuse to force those who don't to have their traffic routed through a property of an oppressive government. Yes, I know it's not about to be a default for non-US users yet. But "The UK people are getting screwed" is not a very good argument for "everyone should be getting screwed by the US".
- mantap 7y agoIt's not just the UK people. Most people in the world live in countries that have oppressive internet laws. Swiss people are a tiny privileged minority. The author should travel the world and see exactly how the internet is outside of their bubble. DoH is an important privacy feature and important for protecting people's fundamental rights.
- stakhanov 7y agoMaybe someone with deeper knowledge of the legal situation can correct me if I'm wrong here, but from what I gather: U.S. privacy laws, to the extent that the U.S. has any, affords protections only to U.S.-based persons. Data pertaining to foreign persons is basically "fair game" to them.
- cookie_monsta 7y ago> The fact that cloudflare is a US entity and thus not subject to UK law is the whole point. As a fellow citizen of a Five Eyes country, I assume that if any of those 5 have info about me that one of the other four wants it won't even be a question of paperwork for it to be shared.
- mantap 7y agoThe previous UK law, RIPA, was abused for investigating minor crimes such as fraudulently obtaining disabled parking badges. It's not just about national governments but local municipal authorities too. Yes I would prefer another jurisdiction but it's way better than the status quo whereby the browsing history is just handed over.
- cookie_monsta 7y ago> The previous UK law, RIPA, was abused for investigating minor crimes such as fraudulently obtaining disabled parking badges. I understand that you're trying to illustrate a larger problem, but that example is likely to get you zero sympathy from anybody, anywhere. I know that US ISPs have an established pattern of "just handing over" browsing history, but I have no idea what CF's track record is like.
- comex 7y agoThen it's a good thing that if you use DNS over HTTPS, none of those countries will have the info, since the connection is encrypted to Cloudflare and they will not be logging queries.
- cookie_monsta 7y agoAgreed. The connection is indeed encrypted and they are not currently logging queries.