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Such an overstatement is not honest and doesn't help to analyze the current political situation in Spain, nor helps to understand why the Civil War is a touchy

Such an overstatement is not honest and doesn't help to analyze the current political situation in Spain, nor helps to understand why the Civil War is a touchy subject. Vox is a far-right party but it isn't a fascist one because they play under the Spanish Constitution rules. Describing PP in that same political spectrum is a bad joke, the same kind you make when saying 'Spain has a disgraceful recent history of anti free-spech legislastion' (sic). Can you please give us any example? Any sentence? Any ource? Can you honestly say that you can't speak freely in Spain? In the caricature you've drawn, it looks like the 'fascists' have all the power, keeping everyone with their mouths shut, but you need to take the whole picture, from far-right to far-left, and don't forget the disproportionate power of the regional nationalist parties. The main point you forget is the interest of many parties to re-write History, being the Spanish Civil War one of their favorite subjects because, at the end, most of them were supporting a dictatorship, not a democracy. Or a Franco dictatorship, or a Stalin dictatorship, but none of them fighting for democracy or for the original spirit of the II Spanish Republic.

efdee 7y ago
> Can you honestly say that you can't speak freely in Spain? I don't know. Let's ask the imprisoned Catalonian ministers?
- squeezingswirls 7y ago
  First of all, there isn't such a thing as 'Catalonian ministers', and secondly you can't be seriously saying that any politician can't speak freely in Spain.
  - me_me_me 7y ago
    "If ya don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding! How can ya have any pudding if ya don't eat ya meat?"
  - coldtea 7y ago
    Aren't both statements begging the question?
    - squeezingswirls 7y ago
      I don't think so.
  - efdee 7y ago
    Catalan minister, apologies. But my point stands.
guiriduro 7y ago
> Can you honestly say that you can't speak freely in Spain? Yes, I believe you can. Where to start? The disgusting re-appearance of political prisoners in Spain, for Catalan leaders expressing the idea that Catalunya should determine its own destiny, while Spanish politicos laughably and hypocritically complain about the same in Venezuela (but to the twisted fascist mind, their political prisoners are just 'criminals' - I'm sure Maduro would use the same justification). The destruction of an edition of the Jueves comic drawing that showed the (then) prince earning a childrearing grant having sex with his wife. A rapper in exile to avoid being remanded for singing about the king. Plenty of other examples. No, free speech is not protected in Spain, quite the reverse.
- squeezingswirls 7y ago
  Sorry but that is not true at all. There aren't 'political prisoners' by any means in Spain. There are politicians in prison, and that's quite different. Their imprisonment without bail follows the Spanish Law, based on democratic principles, and it's quite dishonourable to compare Spain and Venezuela political situations. On the other hand, nobody destroyed any edition of 'El Jueves', please see https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/Jueves-retira-ejemplares-portada-abdicacion_0_267723757.html https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/Jueves-retira-ejemplares-po... Every cover is available even online, even the controversial ones https://twitter.com/eljueves/status/834078228541165568 https://twitter.com/eljueves/status/834078228541165568 They make fun of the Catalonian nationalists too by the way https://twitter.com/eljueves/status/1171369631786917888 https://twitter.com/eljueves/status/1171369631786917888 About Valtonyc, the rapper you're talking about 'in exile to avoid being remanded for singing about the king' that's not true. He was judged and sentenced to 3 and a half years of prison for 'crimes of threats, insults to the Crown, and glorification of terrorism'. To avoid going to prison, he fled. Yes, free speech is well protected in Spain.
  - guiriduro 7y ago
    > There aren't 'political prisoners' by any means in Spain. There are politicians in prison, and that's quite different. >> to the twisted fascist mind, their political prisoners are just 'criminals' QED

efdee 7y ago

> Can you honestly say that you can't speak freely in Spain? I don't know. Let's ask the imprisoned Catalonian ministers?

squeezingswirls 7y ago
First of all, there isn't such a thing as 'Catalonian ministers', and secondly you can't be seriously saying that any politician can't speak freely in Spain.
- me_me_me 7y ago
  "If ya don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding! How can ya have any pudding if ya don't eat ya meat?"
- coldtea 7y ago
  Aren't both statements begging the question?
  - squeezingswirls 7y ago
    I don't think so.
- efdee 7y ago
  Catalan minister, apologies. But my point stands.

guiriduro 7y ago

> Can you honestly say that you can't speak freely in Spain? Yes, I believe you can. Where to start? The disgusting re-appearance of political prisoners in Spain, for Catalan leaders expressing the idea that Catalunya should determine its own destiny, while Spanish politicos laughably and hypocritically complain about the same in Venezuela (but to the twisted fascist mind, their political prisoners are just 'criminals' - I'm sure Maduro would use the same justification). The destruction of an edition of the Jueves comic drawing that showed the (then) prince earning a childrearing grant having sex with his wife. A rapper in exile to avoid being remanded for singing about the king. Plenty of other examples. No, free speech is not protected in Spain, quite the reverse.

squeezingswirls 7y ago
Sorry but that is not true at all. There aren't 'political prisoners' by any means in Spain. There are politicians in prison, and that's quite different. Their imprisonment without bail follows the Spanish Law, based on democratic principles, and it's quite dishonourable to compare Spain and Venezuela political situations. On the other hand, nobody destroyed any edition of 'El Jueves', please see https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/Jueves-retira-ejemplares-portada-abdicacion_0_267723757.html https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/Jueves-retira-ejemplares-po... Every cover is available even online, even the controversial ones https://twitter.com/eljueves/status/834078228541165568 https://twitter.com/eljueves/status/834078228541165568 They make fun of the Catalonian nationalists too by the way https://twitter.com/eljueves/status/1171369631786917888 https://twitter.com/eljueves/status/1171369631786917888 About Valtonyc, the rapper you're talking about 'in exile to avoid being remanded for singing about the king' that's not true. He was judged and sentenced to 3 and a half years of prison for 'crimes of threats, insults to the Crown, and glorification of terrorism'. To avoid going to prison, he fled. Yes, free speech is well protected in Spain.
- guiriduro 7y ago
  > There aren't 'political prisoners' by any means in Spain. There are politicians in prison, and that's quite different. >> to the twisted fascist mind, their political prisoners are just 'criminals' QED