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Let's not pretend that building one from scratch isn't at least an order of magnitude harder, either.

mucholove 7y ago
Looking at this from Spain, you did do this over the weekend. I also work 6 days a week—but my hope is that this didn’t take the place of building a family, having a relationship, finding a relationship going for a hike in the mountains, citizen science, or making art. Your weekend is valuable!
- a_t48 7y ago
  You're totally right that the weekend is valuable, but some people enjoy doing this sort of thing with their free time. It's not anyone's place to decide what anyone else does for entertainment or self improvement. That is to say - what is not valuable to you might be valuable to someone else.
  - bravura 7y ago
    Actually if your leisure activities and your work activities are similar, and you don’t have many interests outside engineering (or finance or law or whatever), then it is the prerogative of others to criticize your lack of well roundedness and insularity.
    - danjac 7y ago
      Why? If you're not a friend or family member, it's none of your business.
    - a_t48 7y ago
      No, that pretty much falls under "None of your business".
- jholloway7 7y ago
  My comment isn't concerned with using 'personal' time for such endeavors. My concern is with the implicit conclusion that how fast you can get something up and running (a 'weekend' in this case) is an argument that you can and should deploy a new stack in any given enterprise. You'll find a lot of times the champion of the new hotness moves on and leaves someone else to maintain the old hotness at costs that were never factored into the original deployment. As I noted in another comment, it's a trilemma where you have to pick and choose your battles. The initial deployment time is rarely the most important factor when introducing a new stack within an organization.
jholloway7 7y ago
I'm not necessarily in the 'build one from scratch' camp either, I'm just pointing out that there's a trilemma in enterprise systems. How fast you're able to get something up and running is just one factor and not always the most important one.

Looking at this from Spain, you did do this over the weekend. I also work 6 days a week—but my hope is that this didn’t take the place of building a family, having a relationship, finding a relationship going for a hike in the mountains, citizen science, or making art. Your weekend is valuable!

a_t48 7y ago
You're totally right that the weekend is valuable, but some people enjoy doing this sort of thing with their free time. It's not anyone's place to decide what anyone else does for entertainment or self improvement. That is to say - what is not valuable to you might be valuable to someone else.
- bravura 7y ago
  Actually if your leisure activities and your work activities are similar, and you don’t have many interests outside engineering (or finance or law or whatever), then it is the prerogative of others to criticize your lack of well roundedness and insularity.
  - danjac 7y ago
    Why? If you're not a friend or family member, it's none of your business.
  - a_t48 7y ago
    No, that pretty much falls under "None of your business".
jholloway7 7y ago
My comment isn't concerned with using 'personal' time for such endeavors. My concern is with the implicit conclusion that how fast you can get something up and running (a 'weekend' in this case) is an argument that you can and should deploy a new stack in any given enterprise. You'll find a lot of times the champion of the new hotness moves on and leaves someone else to maintain the old hotness at costs that were never factored into the original deployment. As I noted in another comment, it's a trilemma where you have to pick and choose your battles. The initial deployment time is rarely the most important factor when introducing a new stack within an organization.

jholloway7 7y ago

I'm not necessarily in the 'build one from scratch' camp either, I'm just pointing out that there's a trilemma in enterprise systems. How fast you're able to get something up and running is just one factor and not always the most important one.