> Do you ever find it odd that the "bad guys" always seem to subvert these movements? I don’t think it’s odd at all. The murderous revolutionaries I can think

> Do you ever find it odd that the "bad guys" always seem to subvert these movements? I don’t think it’s odd at all. The murderous revolutionaries I can think of (Bolsheviks, Mao, Mugabe...) were won against regimes just as bloodthirsty as they were. The peaceful revolutions I can think of eg South Africa happened because both sides were willing to negotiate fairly. He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. > It seems to me that socialism has a 100% failure rate Adopting socialist policies while keeping a market economy has worked out ok for most developed nations. Communist USSR was able to educate its population and rapidly industrialize while fighting off two invasions by forces that, on paper, should have been able to beat them without much trouble, and emerge as one of the most powerful nations in the world. I’d consider that a success