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I sleep about 6 hours or less. But this transition happened suddenly sometime in my mid-twenties. I don't know if I'm suffering from insomnia or if I'm still go

I sleep about 6 hours or less. But this transition happened suddenly sometime in my mid-twenties. I don't know if I'm suffering from insomnia or if I'm still good. Definitely do not feel as super rested as I use too.

jchw 7y ago
I stopped having good rest at around 25, a year or so ago. Cause unknown as of yet. I miss feeling well rested for sure.
- pavel_lishin 7y ago
  I stopped having regular good night sleeps starting in February of 2016. The reason is definitely genetic, and started pre-k last week.
  - cgb223 7y ago
    As a younger guy who doesn’t have kids (yet) it’s crazy to me that parents can thrive on 2-3 hours of sleep. How do you do it? Does it feel like you adapted? Or are you aware of a cognitive decline? Like, what’s the experience like?
    - sharadov 7y ago
      2-3 hrs is too less, as a father of 2 we used to get woken up 2-3 times a night, over an 8 hour period. More so with my older one who had colic, and it continued for a year. She breast fed while I changed diapers. You get very good at going back right to sleep. I remember I got eczema because of the stress ( under my eyes ). Looked like a racoon! Evolution has prepared women's bodies to thrive on little sleep after childbirth.
      - journalctl 7y ago
        I have a coworker with a newborn. She falls asleep at her desk sometimes. I totally get it, and I feel for her, but I don’t think it’s correct that women thrive on little sleep after childbirth. The truth is: nobody thrives on little sleep. Humans need sleep. It isn’t entirely clear why, but we do, and the effects of sleep deprivation have been studied. Cognitive function declines, disease risk goes up, and in the worst case you start falling asleep at inopportune times, like while driving.
        sharadov 7y ago
        Working women should be allowed to take a year off paid, with the assurance that they can return to their job. California allows 12 weeks maternity leave and upto 6 months wherein you can return to the job. Some states have no job protection ( how does that even work in a first world country?)
    - pavel_lishin 7y ago
      > parents can thrive on 2-3 hours of sleep Oh, we didn't thrive. It sucked. There was absolutely a cognitive decline, and physical exhaustion to boot. We adapted in the sense that we weren't falling asleep on the subway after awhile, but I flat out told work not to expect my best work for the next six months. But it also wasn't 2-3 hours of sleep a night. Unless you get really unlucky, babies do sleep for hours at a stretch; and you're very incentivized to sleep when the baby sleeps. There are adaptive strategies! If you're supplementing with formula (or even if you're not, to a lesser degree) you can take shifts. I would go to bed at ~9pm, and my wife would be "on call" until ~3am. After that, when the baby woke up, I would be on call, and would wake up and take care of her until ~9am, when I had to leave for work. This guaranteed a six-hour period where even though we'd get woken up, we could at least not have to get up and take care of the kid. Granted, it's still interrupted sleep. But in general, the experience is: you're happy but also low-key miserable, and you feel like your head is full of cotton. The low-level stress also impacts your immune system, so you get sick more, and when your kid goes to daycare, you get sick a lot more.
      - oarabbus_ 7y ago
        I think his question could be rephrased as "why don't we witness a mass epidemic of parents falling asleep"? I think many 20 and 30 somethings (without kids) who, if they were to get under 6 or so hours of sleep for a couple nights, would automatically pass out on the train/subway/bus/etc, in public. So how are (seemingly most) parents getting 4 hours of sleep for extended periods of time yet aren't falling asleep on public transit on their way to work?
        toast0 7y ago
        > So how are (seemingly most) parents getting 4 hours of sleep for extended periods of time yet aren't falling asleep on public transit on their way to work? Most parents are getting more than 4 hours of sleep, but it's broken up. If your kid is on a 3 hour feed/sleep cycle, and it takes 1 hour for feeding and getting back to sleep (which is in the difficult part of the spectrum), that leave s you 2 hours to sleep before another wake up. If both parents are needed, or if it's a single parent, chances are you're going to bed early, because you're exhausted; you'll probably go to bed when the evening feeding is done, say at 9pm, sleep for two hours, wake up for 1 hour, go back to sleep at midnight for two more hours, wake up at 2 am to feed, sleep again until 5 am, feed until 6 am and then get ready for the day. You've ended up with 6 hours of sleep -- this is okish. If you have two parents taking shifts, one parent slept from 9-11, and then from 12-5, for a total of 7 hours; the other slept from 9-2, and from 3-5, also a total of 7 hours. Of course, some nights don't go well, or the evening feeding is over at 8 and you don't really want to go to bed then, and that pushes everything back. But, if feeding only takes 30 minutes, that helps a bit. And some times the feeding cycles clash with sleep cycles -- it was awful for the (thankfully short) period where baby was consistently waking us up during REM sleep. Also --- micronaps :D
    - toast0 7y ago
      I got used to sleeping much less after having a kid. It varies by parent and kid but, for me: It was really bad early on with the overnight feeding --- this was a two person endeavor for several months until we gave up on milk coming in and just did formula. As the kid got older, the cycle lengthened. Initially we got about 2 hours of sleep after feeding before he woke us up, this was actually better than when it got to three hours, and we'd wake up in the middle of a rem cycle every time. Once it got to 4 hours sleep every time, it was fine enough. I have a much harder time remembering things from this period of my life than before or after; I suspect as a consequence of persistent sleep deprivation. I also accidentally found out what happens when I stay up for 24 hours straight, I don't care for that. I still don't get as much sleep as pre-kid, 8 years later, but I've adapted. One nice thing is I would say I may have trouble falling asleep once or twice a year now, instead of once or twice a month. I'm looking forward to 5th grade when his school district pushes back the start time, so I can wake up later.
    - reverend_gonzo 7y ago
      As someone with a six month old, there is no thriving. I was a zombie for the 4 months or so, and we’re lucky. Our baby started sleeping through the night at three months. My sleep has not recovered, and I don’t expect it will for a few years. On the other hand, I’m not going out drinking anymore, or staying out late, so all those hangovers mornings I used to have don’t happen anymore, and I think that just cancels out the sleep deprivation.
      - pavel_lishin 7y ago
        Your sleep schedule will get better, based on my experience, as the kid begins to sleep through the night. (Though they naturally revert back to staggered sleep from time to time as they develop, so good luck!) And yeah - I significantly cut down on my drinking for awhile, because while waking up with a hangover is never fun, waking up with a hangover and having to take care of a small child is awful.
    - neuro 7y ago
      Love can make you do amazing things.
    - stevekemp 7y ago
      Our child was pretty good at sleeping overnight, barring a few frustrating weeks. Mostly we found it fair to divide the night into half for her, and half for me; if he woke up between bedtime and 1AM my wife would deal with him. If he woke between 1AM and morning I would deal with him. Having two hours of sleep total? That would kill me. But waking up for a few minutes, then going back to bed a couple of times in one night? Not as bad as you'd think. I know I zombie-walked a few mornings, but it didn't seem to cause too many actual problems. Of course when we were in this phase we'd often try to go to bed ourselves as early as possible.
    - satori99 7y ago
      I am not a parent but I have experience with short sleep cycles when racing yachts in long ocean races. A watch is around 4 or 6 hours on deck, and then 4 or 6 hours to eat and sleep a bit before going on deck again. This can last for a few days or a few weeks. I am always amazed at how quickly my body starts to treat each on/off cycle as a biological day. It takes around a day to get used to it, and a day to go back to normal when the race is over. But I feel like I could continue in that pattern forever, when doing it. Apparently long distance solo yachtsmen will sleep 10 or 15 mins out of each hour, sometimes for months, with little ill effects. Humans may need a certain amount of REM sleep per day, but my experience is that is doesn't necessarily have to contiguous.
    - ezconnect 7y ago
      The first three to four months is hard because the baby eats sleep every two hours, cycle gets longer as they aged. I suffered vertigo on the fourth month because i moved my head rapidly left to right. You will try to adapt but your body will suffer.
- crimsonalucard 7y ago
  It was the same thing for me. It happened suddenly. Never got to the bottom of why. I'm in my mid thirties now.
- MegaDeKay 7y ago
  I started feeling tired all the time despite getting eight to nine hours of sleep a night. I was afraid it might be a thyroid thing but a blood test showed I had low iron. This was not expected as I'm a guy, but the doctor suspected it had something to do with weightlifting. I was put on an iron supplement and started feeling better. So you might want to visit a doctor and get checked out if you haven't already.
- afterburner 7y ago
  Maybe need more exercise? I find exercise most useful for general health and sleep purposes, rather than the usual muscle strength or calorie burning goals.
- Zarath 7y ago
  I've found that it is as much about when I sleep as how much sleep I get. For example, sleeping from 12-8 I feel far far more rested than when sleeping from 3-11.
- kzrdude 7y ago
  I have found out I needed to cut coffee intake entirely, even in the morning.
- carlmr 7y ago
  Did you experience dietary changes? Could be increased coffee consumption since you started working, increased alcohol usage, more meat or cheese (hard to digest, could lead to worse sleep). Or just the regularity at which times you go to bed or wake up.
ummonk 7y ago
I used to need over 9 hours of sleep, preferably 10. Now in my late 20s I make do with 7-8 hours with some impact on mental sharpness and likely physical health as well but otherwise able to function. Does wonders for my work life balance since I actually have time in the evening for hobbies / activities / relaxing.

jchw 7y ago

I stopped having good rest at around 25, a year or so ago. Cause unknown as of yet. I miss feeling well rested for sure.

pavel_lishin 7y ago
I stopped having regular good night sleeps starting in February of 2016. The reason is definitely genetic, and started pre-k last week.
- cgb223 7y ago
  As a younger guy who doesn’t have kids (yet) it’s crazy to me that parents can thrive on 2-3 hours of sleep. How do you do it? Does it feel like you adapted? Or are you aware of a cognitive decline? Like, what’s the experience like?
  - sharadov 7y ago
    2-3 hrs is too less, as a father of 2 we used to get woken up 2-3 times a night, over an 8 hour period. More so with my older one who had colic, and it continued for a year. She breast fed while I changed diapers. You get very good at going back right to sleep. I remember I got eczema because of the stress ( under my eyes ). Looked like a racoon! Evolution has prepared women's bodies to thrive on little sleep after childbirth.
    - journalctl 7y ago
      I have a coworker with a newborn. She falls asleep at her desk sometimes. I totally get it, and I feel for her, but I don’t think it’s correct that women thrive on little sleep after childbirth. The truth is: nobody thrives on little sleep. Humans need sleep. It isn’t entirely clear why, but we do, and the effects of sleep deprivation have been studied. Cognitive function declines, disease risk goes up, and in the worst case you start falling asleep at inopportune times, like while driving.
      - sharadov 7y ago
        Working women should be allowed to take a year off paid, with the assurance that they can return to their job. California allows 12 weeks maternity leave and upto 6 months wherein you can return to the job. Some states have no job protection ( how does that even work in a first world country?)
  - pavel_lishin 7y ago
    > parents can thrive on 2-3 hours of sleep Oh, we didn't thrive. It sucked. There was absolutely a cognitive decline, and physical exhaustion to boot. We adapted in the sense that we weren't falling asleep on the subway after awhile, but I flat out told work not to expect my best work for the next six months. But it also wasn't 2-3 hours of sleep a night. Unless you get really unlucky, babies do sleep for hours at a stretch; and you're very incentivized to sleep when the baby sleeps. There are adaptive strategies! If you're supplementing with formula (or even if you're not, to a lesser degree) you can take shifts. I would go to bed at ~9pm, and my wife would be "on call" until ~3am. After that, when the baby woke up, I would be on call, and would wake up and take care of her until ~9am, when I had to leave for work. This guaranteed a six-hour period where even though we'd get woken up, we could at least not have to get up and take care of the kid. Granted, it's still interrupted sleep. But in general, the experience is: you're happy but also low-key miserable, and you feel like your head is full of cotton. The low-level stress also impacts your immune system, so you get sick more, and when your kid goes to daycare, you get sick a lot more.
    - oarabbus_ 7y ago
      I think his question could be rephrased as "why don't we witness a mass epidemic of parents falling asleep"? I think many 20 and 30 somethings (without kids) who, if they were to get under 6 or so hours of sleep for a couple nights, would automatically pass out on the train/subway/bus/etc, in public. So how are (seemingly most) parents getting 4 hours of sleep for extended periods of time yet aren't falling asleep on public transit on their way to work?
      - toast0 7y ago
        > So how are (seemingly most) parents getting 4 hours of sleep for extended periods of time yet aren't falling asleep on public transit on their way to work? Most parents are getting more than 4 hours of sleep, but it's broken up. If your kid is on a 3 hour feed/sleep cycle, and it takes 1 hour for feeding and getting back to sleep (which is in the difficult part of the spectrum), that leave s you 2 hours to sleep before another wake up. If both parents are needed, or if it's a single parent, chances are you're going to bed early, because you're exhausted; you'll probably go to bed when the evening feeding is done, say at 9pm, sleep for two hours, wake up for 1 hour, go back to sleep at midnight for two more hours, wake up at 2 am to feed, sleep again until 5 am, feed until 6 am and then get ready for the day. You've ended up with 6 hours of sleep -- this is okish. If you have two parents taking shifts, one parent slept from 9-11, and then from 12-5, for a total of 7 hours; the other slept from 9-2, and from 3-5, also a total of 7 hours. Of course, some nights don't go well, or the evening feeding is over at 8 and you don't really want to go to bed then, and that pushes everything back. But, if feeding only takes 30 minutes, that helps a bit. And some times the feeding cycles clash with sleep cycles -- it was awful for the (thankfully short) period where baby was consistently waking us up during REM sleep. Also --- micronaps :D
  - toast0 7y ago
    I got used to sleeping much less after having a kid. It varies by parent and kid but, for me: It was really bad early on with the overnight feeding --- this was a two person endeavor for several months until we gave up on milk coming in and just did formula. As the kid got older, the cycle lengthened. Initially we got about 2 hours of sleep after feeding before he woke us up, this was actually better than when it got to three hours, and we'd wake up in the middle of a rem cycle every time. Once it got to 4 hours sleep every time, it was fine enough. I have a much harder time remembering things from this period of my life than before or after; I suspect as a consequence of persistent sleep deprivation. I also accidentally found out what happens when I stay up for 24 hours straight, I don't care for that. I still don't get as much sleep as pre-kid, 8 years later, but I've adapted. One nice thing is I would say I may have trouble falling asleep once or twice a year now, instead of once or twice a month. I'm looking forward to 5th grade when his school district pushes back the start time, so I can wake up later.
  - reverend_gonzo 7y ago
    As someone with a six month old, there is no thriving. I was a zombie for the 4 months or so, and we’re lucky. Our baby started sleeping through the night at three months. My sleep has not recovered, and I don’t expect it will for a few years. On the other hand, I’m not going out drinking anymore, or staying out late, so all those hangovers mornings I used to have don’t happen anymore, and I think that just cancels out the sleep deprivation.
    - pavel_lishin 7y ago
      Your sleep schedule will get better, based on my experience, as the kid begins to sleep through the night. (Though they naturally revert back to staggered sleep from time to time as they develop, so good luck!) And yeah - I significantly cut down on my drinking for awhile, because while waking up with a hangover is never fun, waking up with a hangover and having to take care of a small child is awful.
  - neuro 7y ago
    Love can make you do amazing things.
  - stevekemp 7y ago
    Our child was pretty good at sleeping overnight, barring a few frustrating weeks. Mostly we found it fair to divide the night into half for her, and half for me; if he woke up between bedtime and 1AM my wife would deal with him. If he woke between 1AM and morning I would deal with him. Having two hours of sleep total? That would kill me. But waking up for a few minutes, then going back to bed a couple of times in one night? Not as bad as you'd think. I know I zombie-walked a few mornings, but it didn't seem to cause too many actual problems. Of course when we were in this phase we'd often try to go to bed ourselves as early as possible.
  - satori99 7y ago
    I am not a parent but I have experience with short sleep cycles when racing yachts in long ocean races. A watch is around 4 or 6 hours on deck, and then 4 or 6 hours to eat and sleep a bit before going on deck again. This can last for a few days or a few weeks. I am always amazed at how quickly my body starts to treat each on/off cycle as a biological day. It takes around a day to get used to it, and a day to go back to normal when the race is over. But I feel like I could continue in that pattern forever, when doing it. Apparently long distance solo yachtsmen will sleep 10 or 15 mins out of each hour, sometimes for months, with little ill effects. Humans may need a certain amount of REM sleep per day, but my experience is that is doesn't necessarily have to contiguous.
  - ezconnect 7y ago
    The first three to four months is hard because the baby eats sleep every two hours, cycle gets longer as they aged. I suffered vertigo on the fourth month because i moved my head rapidly left to right. You will try to adapt but your body will suffer.
crimsonalucard 7y ago
It was the same thing for me. It happened suddenly. Never got to the bottom of why. I'm in my mid thirties now.
MegaDeKay 7y ago
I started feeling tired all the time despite getting eight to nine hours of sleep a night. I was afraid it might be a thyroid thing but a blood test showed I had low iron. This was not expected as I'm a guy, but the doctor suspected it had something to do with weightlifting. I was put on an iron supplement and started feeling better. So you might want to visit a doctor and get checked out if you haven't already.
afterburner 7y ago
Maybe need more exercise? I find exercise most useful for general health and sleep purposes, rather than the usual muscle strength or calorie burning goals.
Zarath 7y ago
I've found that it is as much about when I sleep as how much sleep I get. For example, sleeping from 12-8 I feel far far more rested than when sleeping from 3-11.
kzrdude 7y ago
I have found out I needed to cut coffee intake entirely, even in the morning.
carlmr 7y ago
Did you experience dietary changes? Could be increased coffee consumption since you started working, increased alcohol usage, more meat or cheese (hard to digest, could lead to worse sleep). Or just the regularity at which times you go to bed or wake up.

ummonk 7y ago

I used to need over 9 hours of sleep, preferably 10. Now in my late 20s I make do with 7-8 hours with some impact on mental sharpness and likely physical health as well but otherwise able to function. Does wonders for my work life balance since I actually have time in the evening for hobbies / activities / relaxing.