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iCloud storage makes it fairly easy to not keep everything you've ever recorded on your phone, it really depends on the user. Back when you kept all your music

iCloud storage makes it fairly easy to not keep everything you've ever recorded on your phone, it really depends on the user. Back when you kept all your music and all your photos/video it was more critical to have a ton of storage locally. Most people buying the expensive model will probably opt for more storage, but for those that don't need it I don't see a problem with offering a lower tier.

gnicholas 7y ago
iCloud storage costs money. If you want to back up a phone that has 64 GB of storage you're going to pay $36/yr or more. Keep your phone for 2-3 years, and you're paying $70-$100 extra. Might as well quadruple your storage and skip the cloud. I have no problem with them offering a lower tier either. That's what the non-Pro iPhone 11 is for.
- basch 7y ago
  Now you have a giant phone, tons of photos, and no backup. People with the bigger phone are probably more likely to be buying the extra $36/yr, not less.
  - gnicholas 7y ago
    I back my phone up locally, just like I always have. It's the only way to get a full backup of all app states and data. iCloud only backs up certain data.
    - basch 7y ago
      Most people arent plugging their phone into a computer, even weekly. Apple also has created a super terrible backup system, where iCloud and iTunes cant work together. Its very dumb that once I switch to local, that I lose iCloud. Maybe I want to go on vacation for a week, without my computer, and then come back and resume local backups. Why cant iTunes use iCloud as part of its version history??
      - bobwaycott 7y ago
        > Most people arent plugging their phone into a computer, even weekly. The phones have synced wirelessly for quite a long while now. And with wireless charging on the newer models, doing so is just so damn easy. > Its very dumb that once I switch to local, that I lose iCloud. Can’t you still rely on iCloud for saving and backing up app data, while retaining the full local sync and backup in iTunes? I don’t recall iCloud being disabled when locally syncing, and am pretty sure apps still save data to iCloud on my devices. > Why cant iTunes use iCloud as part of its version history?? Is that really necessary when iTunes can already sync and backup the whole device as it is when you activate the sync/backup process?
        basch 7y ago
        Wireless but still needs power, no? And my computer has to be on? The rest of my complaint is mostly about how complicated a restore becomes if I was using local backup, and then arent home for a while, and need to remerge local and cloud backups. Last I remember, the interface makes you choose one or the other to restore, and then your version history gets all mucked up, as the one you choose becomes the new golden branch.
        gnicholas 7y ago
        > Wireless but still needs power, no? And my computer has to be on? Don't you charge your phone, in range of your computer?
    - mensetmanusman 7y ago
      Not anymore. iCloud backs up app states and data. I restore multiple devices from the cloud regularly and I wouldn’t do so if app meta data wasn’t stored on iCloud.
      - zimpenfish 7y ago
        > iCloud backs up app states and data. Although I believe the app developers have to be aware of this and utilise the various storage options correctly - certainly in my latest restore, a whole bunch of apps had lost their state (logins, etc.) Most disconcerting and aggravatingly inconvenient.
- jonknee 7y ago
  I guess we have different ideas of pro users. I'll take the cloud storage / backup any day of the week. If you're really doing the math on $3 a month you probably shouldn't be looking at a $1000 phone regardless of storage capacity.
  - gnicholas 7y ago
    We do have different ideas of Pro users. I don't know any who use iCloud, which has reliability issues and is inside a walled garden. I'm as big an Apple fan as anyone, but iCloud is a joke. I've even asked Genius Bar employees exactly how people are supposed to use the iCloud photo backup. They've admitted that they don't really know what to make of the system, which is not transparent with regard to what photos have been downloaded where. It is difficult for the average user to understand how the file-shrinking system works with photos, and which photos exist only in the cloud versus on their machines.
    - jonknee 7y ago
      It's an iPhone backup, of course it's a "walled garden". It works really well, maybe you haven't used it in years. I can literally throw my phone into the ocean, walk into an Apple Store and within a short time be right back to where I was. About the only things that get lost are Face ID and Apple Pay, which don't last through any backup because the Secure Element is one way.
      - gnicholas 7y ago
        Not all iPhone backups are walled gardens. I can back up to my computer, and back that up to various local/cloud drives. I don't want another thing that's wedded to an ecosystem that I might leave at some point. Also, if I'm already paying for generic cloud storage services, why should I pay for Apple-specific cloud services, at a more expensive price per GB?
      - brynjolf 7y ago
        Can't even acres the files on Android...
arvinsim 7y ago
iCloud storage will not help people while they are recording 4k 60FPS.

gnicholas 7y ago

iCloud storage costs money. If you want to back up a phone that has 64 GB of storage you're going to pay $36/yr or more. Keep your phone for 2-3 years, and you're paying $70-$100 extra. Might as well quadruple your storage and skip the cloud. I have no problem with them offering a lower tier either. That's what the non-Pro iPhone 11 is for.

basch 7y ago
Now you have a giant phone, tons of photos, and no backup. People with the bigger phone are probably more likely to be buying the extra $36/yr, not less.
- gnicholas 7y ago
  I back my phone up locally, just like I always have. It's the only way to get a full backup of all app states and data. iCloud only backs up certain data.
  - basch 7y ago
    Most people arent plugging their phone into a computer, even weekly. Apple also has created a super terrible backup system, where iCloud and iTunes cant work together. Its very dumb that once I switch to local, that I lose iCloud. Maybe I want to go on vacation for a week, without my computer, and then come back and resume local backups. Why cant iTunes use iCloud as part of its version history??
    - bobwaycott 7y ago
      > Most people arent plugging their phone into a computer, even weekly. The phones have synced wirelessly for quite a long while now. And with wireless charging on the newer models, doing so is just so damn easy. > Its very dumb that once I switch to local, that I lose iCloud. Can’t you still rely on iCloud for saving and backing up app data, while retaining the full local sync and backup in iTunes? I don’t recall iCloud being disabled when locally syncing, and am pretty sure apps still save data to iCloud on my devices. > Why cant iTunes use iCloud as part of its version history?? Is that really necessary when iTunes can already sync and backup the whole device as it is when you activate the sync/backup process?
      - basch 7y ago
        Wireless but still needs power, no? And my computer has to be on? The rest of my complaint is mostly about how complicated a restore becomes if I was using local backup, and then arent home for a while, and need to remerge local and cloud backups. Last I remember, the interface makes you choose one or the other to restore, and then your version history gets all mucked up, as the one you choose becomes the new golden branch.
        gnicholas 7y ago
        > Wireless but still needs power, no? And my computer has to be on? Don't you charge your phone, in range of your computer?
  - mensetmanusman 7y ago
    Not anymore. iCloud backs up app states and data. I restore multiple devices from the cloud regularly and I wouldn’t do so if app meta data wasn’t stored on iCloud.
    - zimpenfish 7y ago
      > iCloud backs up app states and data. Although I believe the app developers have to be aware of this and utilise the various storage options correctly - certainly in my latest restore, a whole bunch of apps had lost their state (logins, etc.) Most disconcerting and aggravatingly inconvenient.
jonknee 7y ago
I guess we have different ideas of pro users. I'll take the cloud storage / backup any day of the week. If you're really doing the math on $3 a month you probably shouldn't be looking at a $1000 phone regardless of storage capacity.
- gnicholas 7y ago
  We do have different ideas of Pro users. I don't know any who use iCloud, which has reliability issues and is inside a walled garden. I'm as big an Apple fan as anyone, but iCloud is a joke. I've even asked Genius Bar employees exactly how people are supposed to use the iCloud photo backup. They've admitted that they don't really know what to make of the system, which is not transparent with regard to what photos have been downloaded where. It is difficult for the average user to understand how the file-shrinking system works with photos, and which photos exist only in the cloud versus on their machines.
  - jonknee 7y ago
    It's an iPhone backup, of course it's a "walled garden". It works really well, maybe you haven't used it in years. I can literally throw my phone into the ocean, walk into an Apple Store and within a short time be right back to where I was. About the only things that get lost are Face ID and Apple Pay, which don't last through any backup because the Secure Element is one way.
    - gnicholas 7y ago
      Not all iPhone backups are walled gardens. I can back up to my computer, and back that up to various local/cloud drives. I don't want another thing that's wedded to an ecosystem that I might leave at some point. Also, if I'm already paying for generic cloud storage services, why should I pay for Apple-specific cloud services, at a more expensive price per GB?
    - brynjolf 7y ago
      Can't even acres the files on Android...

arvinsim 7y ago

iCloud storage will not help people while they are recording 4k 60FPS.