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But good for users. We will not generate too much electronic waste. Will save money and when finally when their is actually a time to upgrade due to actual hard

by acd10j 7y ago

But good for users. We will not generate too much electronic waste. Will save money and when finally when their is actually a time to upgrade due to actual hardware degradation, You can get nice bump in hardware spec.

mike_d 7y ago
Very little e-waste is generated by iPhone upgrades. Apple is using 100% recycled materials now, has a trade-in recycling program, and their is a robust resell market for older devices. I'd say the biggest e-waste offender right now is the server market. Enterprises are replacing entire data centers full of servers every 3-4 years because of depreciation and OPEX efficiency upgrades.
- q3k 7y ago
  > Apple is using 100% recycled materials now. For consumer devices? Very unlikely. Do you have a citation? > has a trade-in recycling program Just because you send something off to be recycled doesn't mean it actually ends up being recycled. It's much better off to not have to recycle in the first place at all (eg. by making your hardware easy to repair, which Apple is notoriously bad at).
  - mike_d 7y ago
    Apparently I misunderstood the keynote, it is 100% recyclable materials.
- stordoff 7y ago
  > Apple is using 100% recycled materials now "So far, we’ve identified recycled alternatives for 24 different grades of plastic, allowing us to use an average of 38 percent recycled plastic across 82 components for products released this year." https://www.apple.com/euro/environment/pdf/a/generic/Apple_Environmental_Responsibility_Report_2019.pdf https://www.apple.com/euro/environment/pdf/a/generic/Apple_E...
  - w0utert 7y ago
    Not disputing that apple doesn’t “use 100% recycled materials” now (that would be virtually impossible), but the plastic recycling figure is also not saying much about e-waste from iPhones either. How much plastic is even used making an iPhone? I would be surprised if it’s more than 10%. Recycling figures for aluminum, stainless steel, glass, battery chemicals, and the expensive metals such as gold and silver used in phones are probably close to 100%. If the ‘24 different grades of plastic’ include the materials used for the (tiny) PCB in an iPhone, not much is left that is not recycled. On a side note, I would like to see some figures how much energy and materials are actually spent when replacing something like a phone, compared to things like driving to work each day, running the AC for 12+ hours a day, flying around the globe once or twice a year or eating meat and dairy products every day of the week. I would be surprised if it’s even remotely significant compared to these things (yes this is a cynical and not very constructive argument to make, but perfectly rational)

by acd10j 7y ago

mike_d 7y ago

Very little e-waste is generated by iPhone upgrades. Apple is using 100% recycled materials now, has a trade-in recycling program, and their is a robust resell market for older devices. I'd say the biggest e-waste offender right now is the server market. Enterprises are replacing entire data centers full of servers every 3-4 years because of depreciation and OPEX efficiency upgrades.

q3k 7y ago
> Apple is using 100% recycled materials now. For consumer devices? Very unlikely. Do you have a citation? > has a trade-in recycling program Just because you send something off to be recycled doesn't mean it actually ends up being recycled. It's much better off to not have to recycle in the first place at all (eg. by making your hardware easy to repair, which Apple is notoriously bad at).
- mike_d 7y ago
  Apparently I misunderstood the keynote, it is 100% recyclable materials.
stordoff 7y ago
> Apple is using 100% recycled materials now "So far, we’ve identified recycled alternatives for 24 different grades of plastic, allowing us to use an average of 38 percent recycled plastic across 82 components for products released this year." https://www.apple.com/euro/environment/pdf/a/generic/Apple_Environmental_Responsibility_Report_2019.pdf https://www.apple.com/euro/environment/pdf/a/generic/Apple_E...
- w0utert 7y ago
  Not disputing that apple doesn’t “use 100% recycled materials” now (that would be virtually impossible), but the plastic recycling figure is also not saying much about e-waste from iPhones either. How much plastic is even used making an iPhone? I would be surprised if it’s more than 10%. Recycling figures for aluminum, stainless steel, glass, battery chemicals, and the expensive metals such as gold and silver used in phones are probably close to 100%. If the ‘24 different grades of plastic’ include the materials used for the (tiny) PCB in an iPhone, not much is left that is not recycled. On a side note, I would like to see some figures how much energy and materials are actually spent when replacing something like a phone, compared to things like driving to work each day, running the AC for 12+ hours a day, flying around the globe once or twice a year or eating meat and dairy products every day of the week. I would be surprised if it’s even remotely significant compared to these things (yes this is a cynical and not very constructive argument to make, but perfectly rational)