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My SE will probably be my last iOS device. iOS used to be much better than competition, but I don't think that's the case now. I never liked big-ass phones, a

My SE will probably be my last iOS device. iOS used to be much better than competition, but I don't think that's the case now. I never liked big-ass phones, and in my opinion the best iPhone design was the iPhone4, this one was a real masterpiece. But I won't pay a premium for a phone I don't like, when my SE will no longer do its job, it will be replaced by a cheap Android device.

oplav 7y ago
Do you use any other Apple products? I feel the same way about paying a premium for a phone I don't like, but iMessage is what is keeping me from switching (back) to Android. My personal computer is a 2014 MacBook. My work computer is a MacBook. Being able to message freely from my laptop to others on iMessage is a really nice feature.
- xnyan 7y ago
  With android you also can do this on MacOS, as well as Linux and Windows.
  - paulddraper 7y ago
    messages.android.com
  - OJFord 7y ago
    And then in a few months' time you can do it in a new app with a slightly different UI!
- anoncake 7y ago
  FYI, Telegram can also be used from a laptop without a phone being involved.
  - oplav 7y ago
    This requires the network I communicate with to move from iMessage, a platform that already works for them, to Telegram or any other app for my sake.
    - anoncake 7y ago
      I didn't mention that because I thought it's obvious. Hooray for network effects.
    - lmm 7y ago
      By staying for iMessage you're rewarding Apple for creating an antisocial messaging app and excluding other platforms.
- ahnick 7y ago
  I dream of a world where all my messaging takes place in Keybase for this reason.
- ken 7y ago
  I can't figure out what's great about iMessage. Is it just what I get when I send a text message to someone who also has an iPhone, and it uses a blue bubble to show it's encrypted? In practice, I have maybe one friend who regularly uses text messaging. Everybody in my neck of the woods uses Hangouts, Messenger, Threema, etc.
  - Marsymars 7y ago
    Well native iMessage is a lot nicer to use than a pile of web/electron apps. I say this as an Android user whose 8GB MacBook struggles under the weight of a handful of messaging apps.
huhtenberg 7y ago
Amen on the masterpiece. I'm precisely in the same boat, but what are the iOS alternatives? There are none. Wouldn't touch anything Android with a long pole, because it has Google attached to it. Windows phone is a joke (if it still exists)... and there's nothing else that's not a dumb phone, is there?
- PaulHoule 7y ago
  Windows phone is long gone because u.s. carriers refuse to support them. One way Windows failed as a mobile OS is large storage requirements; "bloat" is one thing but a safe and reliable 'update' system adds overhead that made cheap Win mobiles marginal.
robertoandred 7y ago
You're not going to find a small Android either.
- stephc_int13 7y ago
  I know. But at least I won't have to pay $1k to have a semi-decent phone. Simple commodity device... I think they might lose some loyals users here. I've been an iOS user since 2007.
  - babypuncher 7y ago
    Are the iPhone 8 and 11 not decent? Neither costs anywhere near $1k
- moftz 7y ago
  Palm Phone, 3.3" display. It's kind of pricey for what you get but it's got to be the smallest thing out there that isn't a smartwatch with a SIM card slot. Having something like a Palm Phone that also acts as a hotspot would be a nice mashup. You can be productive with your laptop or tablet when you are able to sit down and pull it out or you can just have a very basic phone that doesn't let you do too much when you should be doing something else. I know that a lot of the time that I'm on my phone, I should be doing other things like actually working, talking to those around me, or just simply enjoying my surroundings. I still want the ability to contact someone quickly if I need to but I don't want to let myself get easily distracted with the phone in my pocket.
SpikedCola 7y ago
> in my opinion the best iPhone design was the iPhone4, this one was a real masterpiece Glad to hear someone else shares this opinion! Still rocking an iPhone4 here.
stochastic_monk 7y ago
My 3 year old SE finally broke. I spent 900 replacing it with an XR because they refused to release another SE and I value the emphasis on privacy and security. But not again. I feel they’ve squandered the good will they’d earned with me by giving me a worse phone at double the cost. I don’t plan to purchase another.
- iancnorden 7y ago
  Check out places like Swappa, I've got a backup SE in mint condition for my current SE. Well within reason for prices compared to trust issues w/ Craigslist.
deftturtle 7y ago
I agree. I’ve got an SE, 5S, and 5C, and when they all die, I’m looking into Purism’s lineup. But if Apple resurrects the SE, I will probably get it.
fencepost 7y ago
If it makes it a few more months your best bets will probably be the Nokia 6.2 or 7.2 (depending of your processor and camera desires). You're also going to need to look at the phone width for what's comfortable, a lot of the Android screens have been going for more stretched screen sizes so just the screen size may not be informative enough.
bullen 7y ago
I'm still using my iPhone 4S, but I have a Samsung S9 for backup in case it should fail. The power button is already gone, but I use the charging cable to power it on and pull the battery to power it off! I changed the battery on the 4S three times. Last year I meet a translator from Russia who had a 3GS with the original battery! That really made me regret I sent in my original iPod Nano when Apple said the batteries where dangerous and replaced them with a 6th gen for free, who's battery died only a year later! Now we know why, you can't sell light bulbs that last forever because the customer won't come back... one gen later the iPad Nano was gone from the market.

oplav 7y ago

Do you use any other Apple products? I feel the same way about paying a premium for a phone I don't like, but iMessage is what is keeping me from switching (back) to Android. My personal computer is a 2014 MacBook. My work computer is a MacBook. Being able to message freely from my laptop to others on iMessage is a really nice feature.

xnyan 7y ago
With android you also can do this on MacOS, as well as Linux and Windows.
- paulddraper 7y ago
  messages.android.com
- OJFord 7y ago
  And then in a few months' time you can do it in a new app with a slightly different UI!
anoncake 7y ago
FYI, Telegram can also be used from a laptop without a phone being involved.
- oplav 7y ago
  This requires the network I communicate with to move from iMessage, a platform that already works for them, to Telegram or any other app for my sake.
  - anoncake 7y ago
    I didn't mention that because I thought it's obvious. Hooray for network effects.
  - lmm 7y ago
    By staying for iMessage you're rewarding Apple for creating an antisocial messaging app and excluding other platforms.
ahnick 7y ago
I dream of a world where all my messaging takes place in Keybase for this reason.
ken 7y ago
I can't figure out what's great about iMessage. Is it just what I get when I send a text message to someone who also has an iPhone, and it uses a blue bubble to show it's encrypted? In practice, I have maybe one friend who regularly uses text messaging. Everybody in my neck of the woods uses Hangouts, Messenger, Threema, etc.
- Marsymars 7y ago
  Well native iMessage is a lot nicer to use than a pile of web/electron apps. I say this as an Android user whose 8GB MacBook struggles under the weight of a handful of messaging apps.

huhtenberg 7y ago

Amen on the masterpiece. I'm precisely in the same boat, but what are the iOS alternatives? There are none. Wouldn't touch anything Android with a long pole, because it has Google attached to it. Windows phone is a joke (if it still exists)... and there's nothing else that's not a dumb phone, is there?

PaulHoule 7y ago
Windows phone is long gone because u.s. carriers refuse to support them. One way Windows failed as a mobile OS is large storage requirements; "bloat" is one thing but a safe and reliable 'update' system adds overhead that made cheap Win mobiles marginal.

robertoandred 7y ago

You're not going to find a small Android either.

stephc_int13 7y ago
I know. But at least I won't have to pay $1k to have a semi-decent phone. Simple commodity device... I think they might lose some loyals users here. I've been an iOS user since 2007.
- babypuncher 7y ago
  Are the iPhone 8 and 11 not decent? Neither costs anywhere near $1k
moftz 7y ago
Palm Phone, 3.3" display. It's kind of pricey for what you get but it's got to be the smallest thing out there that isn't a smartwatch with a SIM card slot. Having something like a Palm Phone that also acts as a hotspot would be a nice mashup. You can be productive with your laptop or tablet when you are able to sit down and pull it out or you can just have a very basic phone that doesn't let you do too much when you should be doing something else. I know that a lot of the time that I'm on my phone, I should be doing other things like actually working, talking to those around me, or just simply enjoying my surroundings. I still want the ability to contact someone quickly if I need to but I don't want to let myself get easily distracted with the phone in my pocket.

SpikedCola 7y ago

> in my opinion the best iPhone design was the iPhone4, this one was a real masterpiece Glad to hear someone else shares this opinion! Still rocking an iPhone4 here.

stochastic_monk 7y ago

My 3 year old SE finally broke. I spent 900 replacing it with an XR because they refused to release another SE and I value the emphasis on privacy and security. But not again. I feel they’ve squandered the good will they’d earned with me by giving me a worse phone at double the cost. I don’t plan to purchase another.

iancnorden 7y ago
Check out places like Swappa, I've got a backup SE in mint condition for my current SE. Well within reason for prices compared to trust issues w/ Craigslist.

deftturtle 7y ago

I agree. I’ve got an SE, 5S, and 5C, and when they all die, I’m looking into Purism’s lineup. But if Apple resurrects the SE, I will probably get it.

fencepost 7y ago

If it makes it a few more months your best bets will probably be the Nokia 6.2 or 7.2 (depending of your processor and camera desires). You're also going to need to look at the phone width for what's comfortable, a lot of the Android screens have been going for more stretched screen sizes so just the screen size may not be informative enough.

bullen 7y ago

I'm still using my iPhone 4S, but I have a Samsung S9 for backup in case it should fail. The power button is already gone, but I use the charging cable to power it on and pull the battery to power it off! I changed the battery on the 4S three times. Last year I meet a translator from Russia who had a 3GS with the original battery! That really made me regret I sent in my original iPod Nano when Apple said the batteries where dangerous and replaced them with a 6th gen for free, who's battery died only a year later! Now we know why, you can't sell light bulbs that last forever because the customer won't come back... one gen later the iPad Nano was gone from the market.