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I think all day depends on the specific device. For example, I would accept a 10 hr battery life for a laptop or wireless headphones as "all-day" because that

by slg 7y ago

I think all day depends on the specific device. For example, I would accept a 10 hr battery life for a laptop or wireless headphones as "all-day" because that will cover a full work day and people aren't expected to use those devices 24/7. 18 hours for "all-day" on a wearable seems reasonable if the expectation is that it will be used only when the user is awake. A complicating factor is that Watch OS 6 is supposed to include sleep tracking. Making that functionality native would seem to recommend wearing the watch 24/7 in a way that wasn't encouraged when that was handled by 3rd party apps. In my opinion, that changes the definition of "all-day" for this device. EDIT: I am just catching up on all the announcements, while it was expected in the lead up to today[1] there was no talk of native sleep tracking during the event. I wonder if it will be rolled out quietly so Apple could have plausible deniability on 24/7 usage being "recommended" or if they decided to completely scrap it due to battery performance issues. [1] - https://9to5mac.com/2019/09/02/apple-watch-sleep-tracking-revealed-sleep-quality-battery-management-more/ https://9to5mac.com/2019/09/02/apple-watch-sleep-tracking-re...

jedberg 7y ago
> Making that functionality native would seem to recommend wearing the watch 24/7 Exactly! At this point, my expectation is that I would wear the watch at all times except when I shower in the morning, and that is when I would charge it. But it won't charge that quickly. :( Which means I either have to give up sleep tracking or activity tracking to charge it. It sounds like they need to make it so that the bands can store energy so that I can charge one band and wear one band and then switch them each day.
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- sbuk 7y ago
  > But it won't charge that quickly. :( Long time Apple Watch owner, currently using the Series 4 - charging while in the shower is exactly how I charge my watch. It has never run out using this way.
  - bscphil 7y ago
    I read this comment 10 minutes ago and until it clicked for me just now I assumed you had some kind of weird in-shower charging device.
    - sundvor 7y ago
      Or just really, really long showers.
  - endorphone 7y ago
    I also charge it while doing my morning routine, though that includes making lunches, some coffee, showering, etc. It can easily last through to the next morning, though occasionally I charge for a bit in the evening just to make the number look better. I imagine as the battery fades this might be less workable though.
  - dkonofalski 7y ago
    Same here. I sleep with the watch on and charge it while I shower/get dressed. I usually get a full charge during that time and, most times, the watch lasts way more than 18 hours.
  - ses1984 7y ago
    Some people are in and out of the shower in less than 5 minutes, others 60 minutes.
    - r00fus 7y ago
      Shower takes 5m, shaving in shower +3m, dressing an additional 5m. Add in breakfast and/or coffee and you’re looking at close to 30m - grab watch on the way out - my series4 is usually fully charged.
      - teniutza 7y ago
        Quite a lot happening in the morning, before you go out. Those are many steps which are not reported on the daily summary.
- Hamuko 7y ago
  As Jobs said: you're showering wrong.
  - oh_sigh 7y ago
    According to jobs you just needed to eat a diet of all fruit juice and then showering would not be necessary.
- raldi 7y ago
  Nah, it's fine. I charge my Apple Watch for 15m before bed (to make sure it'll last the night) and while I get ready in the morning, and that's all it needs to stay on my wrist literally the rest of my life without ever coming close to running out of power.
- avenueb 7y ago
  It appears you are not a G-Shock wearer (need to remove for shower?? ha!)
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the_watcher 7y ago
While sleep tracking is possible the single most useful thing I could get out of a wearable, I just have never been able to sleep with a watch or band on. Until there's something as low profile as a reminder band (think Livestrong), I'm not sure if I'll be able to get sleep tracking (the Oura ring is promising, but the price point is too high for its limited applications to me).
- thanatos_dem 7y ago
  I use a Beddit for this very reason - https://www.beddit.com https://www.beddit.com
  - ghaff 7y ago
    I didn't realize Beddit kept going after they were acquired by Apple. I had the first couple versions as review units but I ended up just stopping using them because they didn't tell me anything I basically didn't already know. Which is sort of how I feel about sleep tracking generally. I didn't get enough sleep last night? You don't say. (I do think they're potentially useful for someone who feels tired a lot and doesn't understand why. I'm less convinced by the value of ongoing tracking.)
    - lstamour 7y ago
      The Beddit devices I tried ended up breaking due to either wireless communication issues or sensor damage. I gave up on it. I’m thinking if I end up with a spare Apple Watch for whatever reason that I’d use the old spare while sleeping.
  - rstupek 7y ago
    There is also the Withings device https://www.withings.com/us/en/sleep https://www.withings.com/us/en/sleep which I use and works well.
  - mandeepj 7y ago
    Beddit is $149. Expensive. Why not Fitbit Inspire which starts from $69 and includes sleep tracking and a lot more.
jborichevskiy 7y ago
FWIW, I’ve been using an Apple Watch for a few years now including nights. I just charge it while I shower/get ready/prepare breakfast (~45 min) which seems to be enough to last till the next morning. Not sure what the battery life on the new ones will be though.
FridgeSeal 7y ago
I have a Watch 4, and contrary to how battery expectations usually go, the life on it is actually really solid. I’ve gotten close to 2 days on it before. I often wear it overnight, then put it on charge when I first wake up, it’s usually close/if not fully charge by the time I head to work.
- lstamour 7y ago
  I don’t have hard stats to back this up, but with the new watchOS 6 it recently improved quite a bit for me, also on Watch Series 4. It’s particularly improved with workouts, though I would still love to have a feature that can “Undo” pausing a workout or vice versa, undo a workout that ran 20 hours longer than it was supposed to. Don’t get me wrong, great watch, great improvements, just... not perfect. Also, being able to track my activity between sleeping periods instead of only midnight to midnight would also be nice to have.
- cyberferret 7y ago
  Same here with my Series 4 Apple Watch. I can push close to 2 days between charges, which I think is great. It was frustrating having to charge my Series 1 watch at odd times every day. Given that sleep tracking is one of the prime uses of my Apple Watch, I prefer to have it on my wrist all night, and charge during the late mornings usually, at me desk when I am in the middle of a block of coding.
smitty1110 7y ago
I personally think the sleep tracking is being held back while they validate it. They’re going to look to categorize your sleep phases, and will probably try to get FDA certification of some sort. The play is to make the watch a diagnostic device, cover a lot of the basics for healthcare providers. My guess is that sleep tracking lands next year.
ksec 7y ago
>because that will cover a full work day and people aren't expected to use those devices 24/7 Just expand that for a bit. For people doing Coding, that might have meant every second of it, for normal people on a computer, There will be likely be 20%- 50% of times you idling ( in computer terms ) or doing something else. So it is not just 24/7, you just aren't really using the computer for every minutes every seconds.

by slg 7y ago

jedberg 7y ago

> Making that functionality native would seem to recommend wearing the watch 24/7 Exactly! At this point, my expectation is that I would wear the watch at all times except when I shower in the morning, and that is when I would charge it. But it won't charge that quickly. :( Which means I either have to give up sleep tracking or activity tracking to charge it. It sounds like they need to make it so that the bands can store energy so that I can charge one band and wear one band and then switch them each day.

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sbuk 7y ago
> But it won't charge that quickly. :( Long time Apple Watch owner, currently using the Series 4 - charging while in the shower is exactly how I charge my watch. It has never run out using this way.
- bscphil 7y ago
  I read this comment 10 minutes ago and until it clicked for me just now I assumed you had some kind of weird in-shower charging device.
  - sundvor 7y ago
    Or just really, really long showers.
- endorphone 7y ago
  I also charge it while doing my morning routine, though that includes making lunches, some coffee, showering, etc. It can easily last through to the next morning, though occasionally I charge for a bit in the evening just to make the number look better. I imagine as the battery fades this might be less workable though.
- dkonofalski 7y ago
  Same here. I sleep with the watch on and charge it while I shower/get dressed. I usually get a full charge during that time and, most times, the watch lasts way more than 18 hours.
- ses1984 7y ago
  Some people are in and out of the shower in less than 5 minutes, others 60 minutes.
  - r00fus 7y ago
    Shower takes 5m, shaving in shower +3m, dressing an additional 5m. Add in breakfast and/or coffee and you’re looking at close to 30m - grab watch on the way out - my series4 is usually fully charged.
    - teniutza 7y ago
      Quite a lot happening in the morning, before you go out. Those are many steps which are not reported on the daily summary.
Hamuko 7y ago
As Jobs said: you're showering wrong.
- oh_sigh 7y ago
  According to jobs you just needed to eat a diet of all fruit juice and then showering would not be necessary.
raldi 7y ago
Nah, it's fine. I charge my Apple Watch for 15m before bed (to make sure it'll last the night) and while I get ready in the morning, and that's all it needs to stay on my wrist literally the rest of my life without ever coming close to running out of power.
avenueb 7y ago
It appears you are not a G-Shock wearer (need to remove for shower?? ha!)

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the_watcher 7y ago

While sleep tracking is possible the single most useful thing I could get out of a wearable, I just have never been able to sleep with a watch or band on. Until there's something as low profile as a reminder band (think Livestrong), I'm not sure if I'll be able to get sleep tracking (the Oura ring is promising, but the price point is too high for its limited applications to me).

thanatos_dem 7y ago
I use a Beddit for this very reason - https://www.beddit.com https://www.beddit.com
- ghaff 7y ago
  I didn't realize Beddit kept going after they were acquired by Apple. I had the first couple versions as review units but I ended up just stopping using them because they didn't tell me anything I basically didn't already know. Which is sort of how I feel about sleep tracking generally. I didn't get enough sleep last night? You don't say. (I do think they're potentially useful for someone who feels tired a lot and doesn't understand why. I'm less convinced by the value of ongoing tracking.)
  - lstamour 7y ago
    The Beddit devices I tried ended up breaking due to either wireless communication issues or sensor damage. I gave up on it. I’m thinking if I end up with a spare Apple Watch for whatever reason that I’d use the old spare while sleeping.
- rstupek 7y ago
  There is also the Withings device https://www.withings.com/us/en/sleep https://www.withings.com/us/en/sleep which I use and works well.
- mandeepj 7y ago
  Beddit is $149. Expensive. Why not Fitbit Inspire which starts from $69 and includes sleep tracking and a lot more.

jborichevskiy 7y ago

FWIW, I’ve been using an Apple Watch for a few years now including nights. I just charge it while I shower/get ready/prepare breakfast (~45 min) which seems to be enough to last till the next morning. Not sure what the battery life on the new ones will be though.

FridgeSeal 7y ago

I have a Watch 4, and contrary to how battery expectations usually go, the life on it is actually really solid. I’ve gotten close to 2 days on it before. I often wear it overnight, then put it on charge when I first wake up, it’s usually close/if not fully charge by the time I head to work.

lstamour 7y ago
I don’t have hard stats to back this up, but with the new watchOS 6 it recently improved quite a bit for me, also on Watch Series 4. It’s particularly improved with workouts, though I would still love to have a feature that can “Undo” pausing a workout or vice versa, undo a workout that ran 20 hours longer than it was supposed to. Don’t get me wrong, great watch, great improvements, just... not perfect. Also, being able to track my activity between sleeping periods instead of only midnight to midnight would also be nice to have.
cyberferret 7y ago
Same here with my Series 4 Apple Watch. I can push close to 2 days between charges, which I think is great. It was frustrating having to charge my Series 1 watch at odd times every day. Given that sleep tracking is one of the prime uses of my Apple Watch, I prefer to have it on my wrist all night, and charge during the late mornings usually, at me desk when I am in the middle of a block of coding.

smitty1110 7y ago

I personally think the sleep tracking is being held back while they validate it. They’re going to look to categorize your sleep phases, and will probably try to get FDA certification of some sort. The play is to make the watch a diagnostic device, cover a lot of the basics for healthcare providers. My guess is that sleep tracking lands next year.

ksec 7y ago

>because that will cover a full work day and people aren't expected to use those devices 24/7 Just expand that for a bit. For people doing Coding, that might have meant every second of it, for normal people on a computer, There will be likely be 20%- 50% of times you idling ( in computer terms ) or doing something else. So it is not just 24/7, you just aren't really using the computer for every minutes every seconds.