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What part of instigated coups on behalf of a fruit company and illegally killing people I'm Venezuela is unclear? Cause I literally typed those things in my par

What part of instigated coups on behalf of a fruit company and illegally killing people I'm Venezuela is unclear? Cause I literally typed those things in my parent comment. Those seem to me to be valid reasons for having issues with a government. It's ironic that a comment trying to persuade others to "get creative" is the comment that seems suspiciously like copypasta.

not_a_cop75 7y ago
So you point to one incident to prove everything that exists about a country must be wrong? How does that logically work? Was there corruption? Yes. Which government doesn't have corruption. Tell me if you know. Well, telling people to hate a country on the basis one one corrupt incident sounds suspiciously like IDF to me. If you think corruption is an issue, then why don't you do something about it, instead of whining that it's bad?
- carapace 7y ago
  Are you getting in a pissing contest about how many shitty things the US Government has done? Because, let me tell you, that is a contest you are going to lose. I consider myself a patriot, but I don't think that means I should be blind to the errors of my nation, my government. On the contrary, it's hard but important to look clearly at our mistakes, to learn from them and hopefully not repeat them.
  - not_a_cop75 7y ago
    Are you getting in a pissing contest to figure out if the US government has done more wrong things than right things? Because if so, you are going to lose. Good luck practicing open and honestly blatantly hostile criticism of political figures in any other country. Even Europe has squashed things like memes to keep the public from realizing the truth. You're not a patriot. You are a wanna be. People are wrong and corrupt. Governments by and large can only do what we allow them to do. They are simply an amplification of the people underneath it all that are in charge. If you think countries that help companies in their borders are wrong, you're going to have a really hard time with countries that openly steal from and abuse their citizens. You think that the US isn't perfect, Possibly you're right. Tell me about your paradise now. Tell me who is perfect? The reality is that every country optimizes for different things. Which country do you think optimizes the best? Have you been able to find a job there you like, pays you well enough, and to move there? If so, great. If not, maybe there's a reason for that? Maybe you really like the X of one country and the Y of another because the X and Y are those things those countries have optimized best for.
    - carapace 7y ago
      I am a patriot, as in I love this country and would, if called, give up my very life for it. God Bless America. One of the things I love about the US of A is our freedom of speech. We can talk openly about things like how our nation is founded on genocide and slavery, and being able and willing to do that is an essential part of overcoming our faults and atoning for our sins. What are we even arguing about? Whether the US government is "shitty" or not? I would say it's too big: some shitty and some sublime, the totality beyond human comprehension. Red White and Blue. Brahma Vishnu Shiva
      - not_a_cop75 7y ago
        Brahma, do you know that india was founded on a caste system, part of which used children sexually for idol worship? Let's talk about how wonderful that system was before its reform! Every single system that man has invented has relied on exchanges of goods and services. Anyone can call them exploitative, and some are. However, in America, you do have a choice. If you don't like it, you can run for a political position. You can start a non profit. You can start your own business. And if for whatever reason, you still can't stand it after all these choices have basically been handed to you, you can try living in a different nation where more or fewer of these things are available. No one in the US is going to threaten you, like in the former USSR or North Korea if you try to leave. If all you want to do is whine, then have fun doing nothing good for your fellow man or yourself.
        patthebunny 7y ago
        An Indian leader said today (or yesterday, I’m on a transatlantic flight) that Brahmin are born superior.
  - inflatableDodo 7y ago
    >Are you getting in a pissing contest about how many shitty things the US Government has done? Because, let me tell you, that is a contest you are going to lose. Hi from the UK. I think we are still in the running. Mind you, we did have a head start.
    - carapace 7y ago
      Haha! Well met. Although, IANAHistorian but I bet if you limited the accounting to no earlier than 1776 the UK looks better than the USA.
      - not_a_cop75 7y ago
        Thanks for playing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtors%27_prison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtors%27_prison
- alistproducer2 7y ago
  "point to one incident" so I pointed out two things and clearly allude that if one does the research, you'll find many more than two things (Iranian revolution is an easy one). "telling people to hate a country" the word hate never appears once in my comment. Again, you seem to be "responding" to some generalization of a viewpoint you don't like instead of what is actually on your screen. No disrespect but I don't really see any reason to continue to respond to you when you are making no effort to respond to what I'm actually writing.
  - not_a_cop75 7y ago
    No disrespect, but find another country the size of the USA that has as many things going decently for them. Yes, large governments breed corruption more easily. That seems to be a known at this point. That's why size plays into this.

not_a_cop75 7y ago

So you point to one incident to prove everything that exists about a country must be wrong? How does that logically work? Was there corruption? Yes. Which government doesn't have corruption. Tell me if you know. Well, telling people to hate a country on the basis one one corrupt incident sounds suspiciously like IDF to me. If you think corruption is an issue, then why don't you do something about it, instead of whining that it's bad?

carapace 7y ago
Are you getting in a pissing contest about how many shitty things the US Government has done? Because, let me tell you, that is a contest you are going to lose. I consider myself a patriot, but I don't think that means I should be blind to the errors of my nation, my government. On the contrary, it's hard but important to look clearly at our mistakes, to learn from them and hopefully not repeat them.
- not_a_cop75 7y ago
  Are you getting in a pissing contest to figure out if the US government has done more wrong things than right things? Because if so, you are going to lose. Good luck practicing open and honestly blatantly hostile criticism of political figures in any other country. Even Europe has squashed things like memes to keep the public from realizing the truth. You're not a patriot. You are a wanna be. People are wrong and corrupt. Governments by and large can only do what we allow them to do. They are simply an amplification of the people underneath it all that are in charge. If you think countries that help companies in their borders are wrong, you're going to have a really hard time with countries that openly steal from and abuse their citizens. You think that the US isn't perfect, Possibly you're right. Tell me about your paradise now. Tell me who is perfect? The reality is that every country optimizes for different things. Which country do you think optimizes the best? Have you been able to find a job there you like, pays you well enough, and to move there? If so, great. If not, maybe there's a reason for that? Maybe you really like the X of one country and the Y of another because the X and Y are those things those countries have optimized best for.
  - carapace 7y ago
    I am a patriot, as in I love this country and would, if called, give up my very life for it. God Bless America. One of the things I love about the US of A is our freedom of speech. We can talk openly about things like how our nation is founded on genocide and slavery, and being able and willing to do that is an essential part of overcoming our faults and atoning for our sins. What are we even arguing about? Whether the US government is "shitty" or not? I would say it's too big: some shitty and some sublime, the totality beyond human comprehension. Red White and Blue. Brahma Vishnu Shiva
    - not_a_cop75 7y ago
      Brahma, do you know that india was founded on a caste system, part of which used children sexually for idol worship? Let's talk about how wonderful that system was before its reform! Every single system that man has invented has relied on exchanges of goods and services. Anyone can call them exploitative, and some are. However, in America, you do have a choice. If you don't like it, you can run for a political position. You can start a non profit. You can start your own business. And if for whatever reason, you still can't stand it after all these choices have basically been handed to you, you can try living in a different nation where more or fewer of these things are available. No one in the US is going to threaten you, like in the former USSR or North Korea if you try to leave. If all you want to do is whine, then have fun doing nothing good for your fellow man or yourself.
      - patthebunny 7y ago
        An Indian leader said today (or yesterday, I’m on a transatlantic flight) that Brahmin are born superior.
- inflatableDodo 7y ago
  >Are you getting in a pissing contest about how many shitty things the US Government has done? Because, let me tell you, that is a contest you are going to lose. Hi from the UK. I think we are still in the running. Mind you, we did have a head start.
  - carapace 7y ago
    Haha! Well met. Although, IANAHistorian but I bet if you limited the accounting to no earlier than 1776 the UK looks better than the USA.
    - not_a_cop75 7y ago
      Thanks for playing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtors%27_prison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtors%27_prison
alistproducer2 7y ago
"point to one incident" so I pointed out two things and clearly allude that if one does the research, you'll find many more than two things (Iranian revolution is an easy one). "telling people to hate a country" the word hate never appears once in my comment. Again, you seem to be "responding" to some generalization of a viewpoint you don't like instead of what is actually on your screen. No disrespect but I don't really see any reason to continue to respond to you when you are making no effort to respond to what I'm actually writing.
- not_a_cop75 7y ago
  No disrespect, but find another country the size of the USA that has as many things going decently for them. Yes, large governments breed corruption more easily. That seems to be a known at this point. That's why size plays into this.