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Dude. I beg of you, to stop repeating the propaganda that big tech so desperately wants you, and everyone else to believe. There is NOT a shortage in develope

Dude. I beg of you, to stop repeating the propaganda that big tech so desperately wants you, and everyone else to believe. There is NOT a shortage in developers. There NEVER WAS. Big Tech simply couldn't stomach the rise in salaries that we saw between 2005 and 2017/2018. This all comes down to cost. There's plenty of talent not just in the US, but abroad. But big tech continues to see a need to drive prices down, and profits up. The best way to do that? Pay employees less. Trust me when I say that programming is a blue collar job in 10 years. Big tech has done a phenomenal job convincing even engineers, that the pool of talent is "so small" that their job couldn't possibly be at risk if everyone and their mother gets a CS degree. Good luck to you, if that's your mindset.

avgDev 7y ago
Big Tech yes, but there are smaller companies who have an insanely hard time finding well rounded full stack engineers.
- ryandrake 7y ago
  Having a hard time finding employees does not necessarily mean there is a shortage of employees. There are two sides to this market. What are the companies doing right who are successfully finding people? How much are they offering in compensation?
- en-us 7y ago
  Based on my last job search, smaller companies just aren't paying salaries that are going to attract well rounded full stack engineers.
  - username90 7y ago
    The reason software engineering pay so much better than similar fields is since there is a lack of software engineers. Encouraging people to pick that option in order to lower wages to similar levels as other fields makes perfect sense, don't you agree?
- rubicon33 7y ago
  That has nothing to do with a shortage of engineers. There are plenty of engineers, just none that are willing to work for 70k a year. There is a salary divide between what big companies can pay, and what little companies can pay. That's drawing a significant portion of the talent away from the smaller labor market. Either the smaller companies need to consider hiring more junior engineers (of which there are plenty). Or they need to make their offers more attractive.
  - username90 7y ago
    Or we recognize that steering more students towards programming is good both for their career and the economy. It is only people who wants developers to stay better paid than other similar fields who thinks that it isn't a shortage.
non-entity 7y ago
> I beg of you, to stop repeating the propaganda that big tech so desperately wants you, and everyone else to believe. I fell for this hard. I was in high school reading blog left and right about how in demand programmers were and that you didn't even really need college because it was too much theory, not solving the problems companies want. So I decided, why take all that time when I could make make money right out of high school. Turns out, that decision hsa kinda screwed me now. Now I did get started before some of the hype. I guess it was there, but not as prominent or in my face. I do general enjou programming and solving problems and it's not just a money thing for me. Unfortunately, I feel my decisions will choke my career eventually.

avgDev 7y ago

Big Tech yes, but there are smaller companies who have an insanely hard time finding well rounded full stack engineers.

ryandrake 7y ago
Having a hard time finding employees does not necessarily mean there is a shortage of employees. There are two sides to this market. What are the companies doing right who are successfully finding people? How much are they offering in compensation?
en-us 7y ago
Based on my last job search, smaller companies just aren't paying salaries that are going to attract well rounded full stack engineers.
- username90 7y ago
  The reason software engineering pay so much better than similar fields is since there is a lack of software engineers. Encouraging people to pick that option in order to lower wages to similar levels as other fields makes perfect sense, don't you agree?
rubicon33 7y ago
That has nothing to do with a shortage of engineers. There are plenty of engineers, just none that are willing to work for 70k a year. There is a salary divide between what big companies can pay, and what little companies can pay. That's drawing a significant portion of the talent away from the smaller labor market. Either the smaller companies need to consider hiring more junior engineers (of which there are plenty). Or they need to make their offers more attractive.
- username90 7y ago
  Or we recognize that steering more students towards programming is good both for their career and the economy. It is only people who wants developers to stay better paid than other similar fields who thinks that it isn't a shortage.

non-entity 7y ago

> I beg of you, to stop repeating the propaganda that big tech so desperately wants you, and everyone else to believe. I fell for this hard. I was in high school reading blog left and right about how in demand programmers were and that you didn't even really need college because it was too much theory, not solving the problems companies want. So I decided, why take all that time when I could make make money right out of high school. Turns out, that decision hsa kinda screwed me now. Now I did get started before some of the hype. I guess it was there, but not as prominent or in my face. I do general enjou programming and solving problems and it's not just a money thing for me. Unfortunately, I feel my decisions will choke my career eventually.