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Khashoggi children have received houses in Saudi Arabia and monthly payments

HashThis 7y ago
Blood money. How about putting the killer who ordered the killing in prison.
opwieurposiu 7y ago
TIL the arab version of Weregild (blood money) is called Diya: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diya_(Islam) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diya_(Islam)
ocfnash 7y ago
https://outline.com/PPAFw4 https://outline.com/PPAFw4
thinkingkong 7y ago
This article is from April.
riffic 7y ago
Terrifying. Why would the children even want to live there?
- BaconJuice 7y ago
  https://www.businessinsider.com/khashoggis-children-are-reportedly-barred-from-leaving-saudi-arabia-2018-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/khashoggis-children-are-repo...
- kevingadd 7y ago
  Shocking but true: In some countries you aren't allowed to Just Leave, and some people aren't welcomed in other countries. The US has a highly inaccurate list of people who aren't even allowed to visit!
whatshisface 7y ago
All of this is funded by their oil wealth. Everything about SA can be traced back to their oil wealth (including their relations with the US). If the oil runs out or the demand for oil drops low enough, we can expect to see an entire country return to the empty desert it came from. Unlike Norway and similarly to Canada their sovereign wealth fund isn't very healthy, and unlike Norway and Canada they don't have much else going for them.
- ddorian43 7y ago
  | My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel Rashid bin Saeed Al Maktoum
  - pmdulaney 7y ago
    Hey, if Nigeria can become an up-and-coming tech hub, so can Saudi Arabia.
    - llampx 7y ago
      The UAE seems to be handling it all better.
- yumraj 7y ago
  > If the oil runs out or the demand for oil drops low enough, we can expect to see an entire country return to the empty desert it came from. I think that's the least of the worries. If oil runs out it has the potential to cause a massive upheaval in the Islamic world with can have dire consequences for the entire world.
  - smacktoward 7y ago
    With their support for things like Wahhabism, the blockade of Qatar and the war in Yemen, the Saudis are doing pretty well at causing upheaval in the Islamic world even while the oil still flows.
pmdulaney 7y ago
Better than nothing. But it would have been a magnanimous gesture to give them the choice between houses in Saudi Arabia and, say, Switzerland.
patthebunny 7y ago
Well that's nice. Totally makes up for a theocratic dictator having their father chopped up. I guess they have no choice but to just accept it, because of the same dictator. Can't believe this shitty government is our "ally". Fuck the Saudi Government.
- chrisco255 7y ago
  There's 195 countries on the planet. You want to go to war with every single one whose leaders have people arbitrarily killed...you'd need to go to war with most of them, including the United States itself.
  - option 7y ago
    while your statement is technically true, the sa is the most disgusting state in the world. IMHO ideologically even farther from western democracies then north korea is
    - wahern 7y ago
      I find that statement ridiculous. Saudi Arabia is a theocratic society with an absolute monarch. The things that occur there may seem abhorrent, but they follow relatively strict norms. Capricious things occur, but even the monarch responds to internal political and cultural pressures in service to a nominally higher authority. North Korea is ruled by the capricious whim of a single person who makes the rules as he goes along, and whose decisions have led to multiple famines and other atrocities resulting in the deaths of millions of North Koreans, still ongoing. And Kim Jong-un doesn't need a cover up when he assassinates someone; he's a god incarnate. Have a little perspective. It's easier to criticize Saudi Arabia precisely because it's more like Western society than North Korea, even if that similarity is often illusory.
  - sv123 7y ago
    You don't have to go to war with each of them, there are other options. And you definitely don't have to prop up said leaders with the worlds most advanced military hardware.
obelos 7y ago
Pretty cheap as far as PR schemes go. Letting his children leave and speak openly to the free media would be a PR disaster. Killing them would be a worse one. But keep them where they are and under threat of death while giving the appearance of comfortable, consensual living, and everybody wins, right? It at least offers sufficient plausible deniability for Pompeo to continue to ignore the SA government's historical and ongoing affronts to US sovereignty, which is all anyone with a real hand in the stakes cares about.
- UncleChis 7y ago
  Totally agree. Although this is totally disgraceful, this is a very smart act from Saudi Arabia government I have to say!
tibbydudeza 7y ago
Now now ... they are a big investor in Softbank ... who is going to fund the next WeWork scam ???.
inflatableDodo 7y ago
Is worth keeping in mind that Khashoggi was being heavily critical of Trump before being killed, that the Whitehouse was warned in advance that he was going to be killed, and that they then didn't pass on this information to Khashoggi, before finally coming out with the rather chilling - 'It's in Turkey and it's not a citizen, as I understand it' - after he was killed. The whole thing fucking stinks. edit - I am not alledging here that the Whitehouse was behind it, just that they didn't seem to mind and apparently knew in advance. - https://observer.com/2018/10/nsa-source-white-house-knew-jamal-khashoggi-danger/ https://observer.com/2018/10/nsa-source-white-house-knew-jam...

Blood money. How about putting the killer who ordered the killing in prison.

TIL the arab version of Weregild (blood money) is called Diya: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diya_(Islam) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diya_(Islam)

ocfnash 7y ago

https://outline.com/PPAFw4 https://outline.com/PPAFw4

thinkingkong 7y ago

This article is from April.

riffic 7y ago

Terrifying. Why would the children even want to live there?

BaconJuice 7y ago
https://www.businessinsider.com/khashoggis-children-are-reportedly-barred-from-leaving-saudi-arabia-2018-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/khashoggis-children-are-repo...
kevingadd 7y ago
Shocking but true: In some countries you aren't allowed to Just Leave, and some people aren't welcomed in other countries. The US has a highly inaccurate list of people who aren't even allowed to visit!

whatshisface 7y ago

All of this is funded by their oil wealth. Everything about SA can be traced back to their oil wealth (including their relations with the US). If the oil runs out or the demand for oil drops low enough, we can expect to see an entire country return to the empty desert it came from. Unlike Norway and similarly to Canada their sovereign wealth fund isn't very healthy, and unlike Norway and Canada they don't have much else going for them.

ddorian43 7y ago
| My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel Rashid bin Saeed Al Maktoum
- pmdulaney 7y ago
  Hey, if Nigeria can become an up-and-coming tech hub, so can Saudi Arabia.
  - llampx 7y ago
    The UAE seems to be handling it all better.
yumraj 7y ago
> If the oil runs out or the demand for oil drops low enough, we can expect to see an entire country return to the empty desert it came from. I think that's the least of the worries. If oil runs out it has the potential to cause a massive upheaval in the Islamic world with can have dire consequences for the entire world.
- smacktoward 7y ago
  With their support for things like Wahhabism, the blockade of Qatar and the war in Yemen, the Saudis are doing pretty well at causing upheaval in the Islamic world even while the oil still flows.

pmdulaney 7y ago

Better than nothing. But it would have been a magnanimous gesture to give them the choice between houses in Saudi Arabia and, say, Switzerland.

patthebunny 7y ago

Well that's nice. Totally makes up for a theocratic dictator having their father chopped up. I guess they have no choice but to just accept it, because of the same dictator. Can't believe this shitty government is our "ally". Fuck the Saudi Government.

chrisco255 7y ago
There's 195 countries on the planet. You want to go to war with every single one whose leaders have people arbitrarily killed...you'd need to go to war with most of them, including the United States itself.
- option 7y ago
  while your statement is technically true, the sa is the most disgusting state in the world. IMHO ideologically even farther from western democracies then north korea is
  - wahern 7y ago
    I find that statement ridiculous. Saudi Arabia is a theocratic society with an absolute monarch. The things that occur there may seem abhorrent, but they follow relatively strict norms. Capricious things occur, but even the monarch responds to internal political and cultural pressures in service to a nominally higher authority. North Korea is ruled by the capricious whim of a single person who makes the rules as he goes along, and whose decisions have led to multiple famines and other atrocities resulting in the deaths of millions of North Koreans, still ongoing. And Kim Jong-un doesn't need a cover up when he assassinates someone; he's a god incarnate. Have a little perspective. It's easier to criticize Saudi Arabia precisely because it's more like Western society than North Korea, even if that similarity is often illusory.
- sv123 7y ago
  You don't have to go to war with each of them, there are other options. And you definitely don't have to prop up said leaders with the worlds most advanced military hardware.

obelos 7y ago

Pretty cheap as far as PR schemes go. Letting his children leave and speak openly to the free media would be a PR disaster. Killing them would be a worse one. But keep them where they are and under threat of death while giving the appearance of comfortable, consensual living, and everybody wins, right? It at least offers sufficient plausible deniability for Pompeo to continue to ignore the SA government's historical and ongoing affronts to US sovereignty, which is all anyone with a real hand in the stakes cares about.

UncleChis 7y ago
Totally agree. Although this is totally disgraceful, this is a very smart act from Saudi Arabia government I have to say!

tibbydudeza 7y ago

Now now ... they are a big investor in Softbank ... who is going to fund the next WeWork scam ???.

inflatableDodo 7y ago

Is worth keeping in mind that Khashoggi was being heavily critical of Trump before being killed, that the Whitehouse was warned in advance that he was going to be killed, and that they then didn't pass on this information to Khashoggi, before finally coming out with the rather chilling - 'It's in Turkey and it's not a citizen, as I understand it' - after he was killed. The whole thing fucking stinks. edit - I am not alledging here that the Whitehouse was behind it, just that they didn't seem to mind and apparently knew in advance. - https://observer.com/2018/10/nsa-source-white-house-knew-jamal-khashoggi-danger/ https://observer.com/2018/10/nsa-source-white-house-knew-jam...