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plus from what i’ve read so far, climate change « deniers » think humans have very little to do with climate and that recent warming is a natural phenomenon tha

by bsaul 7y ago

plus from what i’ve read so far, climate change « deniers » think humans have very little to do with climate and that recent warming is a natural phenomenon that started 14k years ago. Not that it doesn’t exists.

adrianN 7y ago
There are several types of deniers. Some actually don't believe the raw data about temperature change, some don't believe humans are responsible.
- rusticpenn 7y ago
  And some believe that they will be dead by the time it becomes a problem.
  - p98yuhp 7y ago
    And some believe that they will change everything by calling others as deniers/believers/progressives/Nazis/Whatever
- jfnixon 7y ago
  I don’t think you actually mean “raw data about temperature change” because most of the warming is only seen in the processed readings, not the raw data. Consider the USCRN raw temperature dsta, which comes from the gold standard observation network, with carefully sited locations and the best instruments. It was designed from the start to have reliable observational data needing few, if any, corrections. It has seen very little warming since it went live about 15 years ago. True, it only covers the US, and 15 years isn’t yet long enough to have enough statistical significance for a confident claim of little to no warming, but it is getting close. One can’t simply ignore the data, though. It will soon require an explanation.
phs318u 7y ago
Sadly many who deny climate change use “shapeshifter” arguments (it doesn’t exist; it exists but it wasn’t us; it exists and it’s good for us; it exists and it’s bad for us but we’ll adapt) to support their case. As a climate scientist once complained, “they get to pick from an assortment of contradictory arguments and will shift from one to the other; we can only resort to one argument - the truth” (quote may be wrong, sorry, I can’t find the original reference nor remember who said it).
- ansible 7y ago
  > Sadly many who deny climate change use “shapeshifter” arguments (it doesn’t exist; it exists but it wasn’t us; it exists and it’s good for us; it exists and it’s bad for us but we’ll adapt) to support their case. It is amusing / sad how closely that follows the Narcissist's Prayer: https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbynarcissists/comments/4nymz1/a_narcissists_prayer/ https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbynarcissists/comments/4nymz1... A Narcissist's Prayer That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did... You deserved it.
  - flukus 7y ago
    Repeat Chorus. I've heard it called the ladder of denialism, but it's more of a mouse wheel, they end up back at the first step sooner or later.

by bsaul 7y ago

adrianN 7y ago

There are several types of deniers. Some actually don't believe the raw data about temperature change, some don't believe humans are responsible.

rusticpenn 7y ago
And some believe that they will be dead by the time it becomes a problem.
- p98yuhp 7y ago
  And some believe that they will change everything by calling others as deniers/believers/progressives/Nazis/Whatever
jfnixon 7y ago
I don’t think you actually mean “raw data about temperature change” because most of the warming is only seen in the processed readings, not the raw data. Consider the USCRN raw temperature dsta, which comes from the gold standard observation network, with carefully sited locations and the best instruments. It was designed from the start to have reliable observational data needing few, if any, corrections. It has seen very little warming since it went live about 15 years ago. True, it only covers the US, and 15 years isn’t yet long enough to have enough statistical significance for a confident claim of little to no warming, but it is getting close. One can’t simply ignore the data, though. It will soon require an explanation.

phs318u 7y ago

Sadly many who deny climate change use “shapeshifter” arguments (it doesn’t exist; it exists but it wasn’t us; it exists and it’s good for us; it exists and it’s bad for us but we’ll adapt) to support their case. As a climate scientist once complained, “they get to pick from an assortment of contradictory arguments and will shift from one to the other; we can only resort to one argument - the truth” (quote may be wrong, sorry, I can’t find the original reference nor remember who said it).

ansible 7y ago
> Sadly many who deny climate change use “shapeshifter” arguments (it doesn’t exist; it exists but it wasn’t us; it exists and it’s good for us; it exists and it’s bad for us but we’ll adapt) to support their case. It is amusing / sad how closely that follows the Narcissist's Prayer: https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbynarcissists/comments/4nymz1/a_narcissists_prayer/ https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbynarcissists/comments/4nymz1... A Narcissist's Prayer That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did... You deserved it.
- flukus 7y ago
  Repeat Chorus. I've heard it called the ladder of denialism, but it's more of a mouse wheel, they end up back at the first step sooner or later.