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anyone ever see when he shared the stage with Elon Musk? Watching Elon control himself was amazing. the guy was trying so hard to not laugh or verbally slap th

anyone ever see when he shared the stage with Elon Musk? Watching Elon control himself was amazing. the guy was trying so hard to not laugh or verbally slap the guy in public. *edit for the lazy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKYWu-S2G0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKYWu-S2G0

hipoglucido 7y ago
For those who didn't watch it here are the highlights of that debate https://youtu.be/aHGd6LqAVzw https://youtu.be/aHGd6LqAVzw
- natch 7y ago
  Worth watching for Elon's latest refinements on some of his AI talking points. Just don't expect an actual debate. Much more freeform. The Jack Ma portion of it was embarrassing. I asked my (recently arrived mainland Chinese) Uber driver in SF the other day what Chinese people thought of Jack Ma, and she said they adore/worship him... which is a bit worrying. Actually it's worth watching for that too, to see just what level of thinking gets adored in China, it's eye opening. Especially keeping in mind that that country holds the reins on some of the most serious efforts at AI development around. Definitely can't generalize about the quality of thinking of the more highly educated class from this situation, but it does shed light on the quality of thinking of the masses.
  - Leary 7y ago
    Funny, I asked my Uber driver what he thought of Travis Kalanick. Also worshiped him.
    - natch 7y ago
      Hah!
  - clydethefrog 7y ago
    I could say the same about the adoration Musk gets from the Western masses. A man who is born with a silver spoon in one's mouth has carefully crafted this image of him being a life-saving genius. Claims to be working 24/7 on his projects while reality shows he is tweeting most of the time, with as highlight calling someone a pedophile. Vanity projects like a flamethrower and reinventing a metro system but worse. Exploiting his workers. But the masses think he is personally going to live on Mars to save humanity.
    - natch 7y ago
      Yes you’ve noticed Elon is human, as many of us have. But Jack Ma is... remarkable. You should watch the video.
- dr_dshiv 7y ago
  At least watching the first half of the highlights only, Elon comes off... poorly. And I'm a super fan!
james_s_tayler 7y ago
This was glorious.
devoply 7y ago
Tinfoil hat on... Maybe the CCP fucked him up somehow. This guy who is also a Chinese billionaire, now dissident in hiding in the US, says CCP is going to kill Jack Ma and force him to turn over his company to them, despite the fact that he never took government money according to an interview below. He predicted a death of another Chinese business leader a year before, and that leader mysteriously apparently committed suicide in France... or that's what the bystanders say while the government found he slipped and fell to his death. Lots of Psyops was done by the US government, would anyone be really surprised if the Chinese government was also doing Psyops on its citizens? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cwXifDaCjE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cwXifDaCjE An interview from 2015 where he does not seem like an idiot at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqSkQye85OQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqSkQye85OQ
0xfaded 7y ago
Jack Ma: "I think we should work 3 days per week, for 4 hours a day" Elon: ????
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pushpop 7y ago
Honestly, I think Elon came off pretty badly. One the one hand you have someone who’s first language isn’t English but is basically giving a long, hard to prepare for, interview on topics he openly admits he’s not a subject expert on; and on the other hand you have a smug individual who’s first language is English and who is actually making fun of the first guy. Often their disagreements are more cultural divides (remember Chinese culture and philosophy is radically different from the kind of ideologies held in Silicon Valley) rather than technical mismatches. However that doesn’t stop Musk poking fun at Jack. I think it’s also worth remembering that Musk has a very high opinion of himself. Some of it is deserved but he is also wrong as often as he is right. So he’s in no position to be making fun of others on stage; let alone for their cultural differences. But I guess that’s always been Musks behaviour (if you take a look at some of the stuff he posts on a Twitter).
- jedberg 7y ago
  Musk is South African. But English was his first language.
  - pushpop 7y ago
    Thanks for the correction. I’ll update my post. The first language part is definitely what matters in this context rather than which English speaking country he was born.
random314 7y ago
Elon was terrible with comical AI doomsday predictions, that no AI researcher including Turing winners Hinton and lecunn endorse. Ma was the only sane voice in the room.
- fnord123 7y ago
  Academic view of AI/ML in legal system: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/603763/how-to-upgrade-judges-with-machine-learning/ https://www.technologyreview.com/s/603763/how-to-upgrade-jud... Reality of AI/ML in legal system: https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/aug/08/rise-of-the-racist-robots-how-ai-is-learning-all-our-worst-impulses https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/aug/08/rise-of-t...
  - cameronbrown 7y ago
    A perfect reminder of why ethics needs to be taken more seriously by Software "Engineers". I don't think we should throw around that title lightly when stuff like this is happening. People won't die from what we build, but they can easily be denied medical insurance or get harsher sentences because an AI suggested it to a judge (especially those who aren't aware of the technology's limitations). Building machines to make decisions should not be taken lightly. See: FAA(not N)G companies who ban people without human interaction.

hipoglucido 7y ago

For those who didn't watch it here are the highlights of that debate https://youtu.be/aHGd6LqAVzw https://youtu.be/aHGd6LqAVzw

natch 7y ago
Worth watching for Elon's latest refinements on some of his AI talking points. Just don't expect an actual debate. Much more freeform. The Jack Ma portion of it was embarrassing. I asked my (recently arrived mainland Chinese) Uber driver in SF the other day what Chinese people thought of Jack Ma, and she said they adore/worship him... which is a bit worrying. Actually it's worth watching for that too, to see just what level of thinking gets adored in China, it's eye opening. Especially keeping in mind that that country holds the reins on some of the most serious efforts at AI development around. Definitely can't generalize about the quality of thinking of the more highly educated class from this situation, but it does shed light on the quality of thinking of the masses.
- Leary 7y ago
  Funny, I asked my Uber driver what he thought of Travis Kalanick. Also worshiped him.
  - natch 7y ago
    Hah!
- clydethefrog 7y ago
  I could say the same about the adoration Musk gets from the Western masses. A man who is born with a silver spoon in one's mouth has carefully crafted this image of him being a life-saving genius. Claims to be working 24/7 on his projects while reality shows he is tweeting most of the time, with as highlight calling someone a pedophile. Vanity projects like a flamethrower and reinventing a metro system but worse. Exploiting his workers. But the masses think he is personally going to live on Mars to save humanity.
  - natch 7y ago
    Yes you’ve noticed Elon is human, as many of us have. But Jack Ma is... remarkable. You should watch the video.
dr_dshiv 7y ago
At least watching the first half of the highlights only, Elon comes off... poorly. And I'm a super fan!

james_s_tayler 7y ago

This was glorious.

devoply 7y ago

Tinfoil hat on... Maybe the CCP fucked him up somehow. This guy who is also a Chinese billionaire, now dissident in hiding in the US, says CCP is going to kill Jack Ma and force him to turn over his company to them, despite the fact that he never took government money according to an interview below. He predicted a death of another Chinese business leader a year before, and that leader mysteriously apparently committed suicide in France... or that's what the bystanders say while the government found he slipped and fell to his death. Lots of Psyops was done by the US government, would anyone be really surprised if the Chinese government was also doing Psyops on its citizens? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cwXifDaCjE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cwXifDaCjE An interview from 2015 where he does not seem like an idiot at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqSkQye85OQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqSkQye85OQ

0xfaded 7y ago

Jack Ma: "I think we should work 3 days per week, for 4 hours a day" Elon: ????

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pushpop 7y ago

Honestly, I think Elon came off pretty badly. One the one hand you have someone who’s first language isn’t English but is basically giving a long, hard to prepare for, interview on topics he openly admits he’s not a subject expert on; and on the other hand you have a smug individual who’s first language is English and who is actually making fun of the first guy. Often their disagreements are more cultural divides (remember Chinese culture and philosophy is radically different from the kind of ideologies held in Silicon Valley) rather than technical mismatches. However that doesn’t stop Musk poking fun at Jack. I think it’s also worth remembering that Musk has a very high opinion of himself. Some of it is deserved but he is also wrong as often as he is right. So he’s in no position to be making fun of others on stage; let alone for their cultural differences. But I guess that’s always been Musks behaviour (if you take a look at some of the stuff he posts on a Twitter).

jedberg 7y ago
Musk is South African. But English was his first language.
- pushpop 7y ago
  Thanks for the correction. I’ll update my post. The first language part is definitely what matters in this context rather than which English speaking country he was born.

random314 7y ago

Elon was terrible with comical AI doomsday predictions, that no AI researcher including Turing winners Hinton and lecunn endorse. Ma was the only sane voice in the room.

fnord123 7y ago
Academic view of AI/ML in legal system: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/603763/how-to-upgrade-judges-with-machine-learning/ https://www.technologyreview.com/s/603763/how-to-upgrade-jud... Reality of AI/ML in legal system: https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/aug/08/rise-of-the-racist-robots-how-ai-is-learning-all-our-worst-impulses https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/aug/08/rise-of-t...
- cameronbrown 7y ago
  A perfect reminder of why ethics needs to be taken more seriously by Software "Engineers". I don't think we should throw around that title lightly when stuff like this is happening. People won't die from what we build, but they can easily be denied medical insurance or get harsher sentences because an AI suggested it to a judge (especially those who aren't aware of the technology's limitations). Building machines to make decisions should not be taken lightly. See: FAA(not N)G companies who ban people without human interaction.