So you think application delivery was less "as code" before Kubernetes? From my standpoint, Kubernetes is a lot more manipulating state and a lot less code tha

So you think application delivery was less "as code" before Kubernetes? From my standpoint, Kubernetes is a lot more manipulating state and a lot less code than what pretty much anything it replaces. In fact, almost nothing is "as code" until you introduce third party products such as Helm into the mix. But that matters little, since the point of using it is not technology but standardization. It has the potential to commodify cloud infrastructure. A bit tongue in cheek perhaps and a far from accurate technical statement, but Kubernetes looks more and more like what Openstack should have been.