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What, then, is your comprehensive alternative? We probably, at this stage, need to approach this issue with a certainly level of moderated-panic, and attempt t

What, then, is your comprehensive alternative? We probably, at this stage, need to approach this issue with a certainly level of moderated-panic, and attempt to address it on al lines across all levels. It stands to reason that if the general population can influence corporate decision making that might have a knock-on effect to cause companies to influence government decision making. I'd hazard a guess that Jeff Bezos ability to influence government policy far exceeds mine by orders of magnitude.

michannne 7y ago
>We probably, at this stage, need to approach this issue with a certainly level of moderated-panic, and attempt to address it on al lines across all levels. What does this mean? I have been hearing the terms "global warming" and "crisis" for almost 20 years now, yet it is almost always followed up with talk -- talk about how others could change their lifestyle choices, talk about how organizations can change how they function, talk about how we can talk even more to the right people. Very rarely have I ever seen a plan -- a formulated, step-by-step guide on what people or organizations must sacrifice in order to bring about a better future, and even less so people who actually act on that plan instead of simply reiterating it to anyone within earshot. I would absolutely not be surprised if this event, which some consider to be "necessary" on any level, does nothing to impact Amazon to change anything to improve the climate situation -- as far as they can see from my perspective, they see 900+ employees, some of whom are probably part-time and not getting paid anyways, with no actual plan of how global warming should be solved with respect to Amazon, but want to feel good for a time, feel as though they are making some level of actionable change on the world, until their time is over and they go back to work while they patiently wait for >one of the most innovative companies[0] to come up with a plan themselves. I've seen it time and time again, it solves nothing, achieves nothing. And I'd bet it all on black that this earns them nothing but contempt from their supervisors/managers. [0]: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1joUIg5O5pRS_R2OqXoJzbuCXcQ0trL9ki8XO2aO0prg/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1joUIg5O5pRS_R2OqXoJzbuCX...
- apacheCamel 7y ago
  You talk about talk in your opening paragraph, yet these people are actually trying to do something so I am not sure why you are so against it? It doesn't matter if they are part-time, full-time, janitor, Lead Designer, or the office coffee boy. Climate change affects them and they are trying to take action in getting Amazon to listen to them. They are doing much more than you and I discussing it on HN.
- ianmobbs 7y ago
  > Very rarely have I ever seen a plan -- a formulated, step-by-step guide on what people or organizations must sacrifice in order to bring about a better future, and even less so people who actually act on that plan instead of simply reiterating it to anyone within earshot. Perhaps you've heard of the Green New Deal?[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal#Models_for_implementation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal#Models_for_impl...
- TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
  I believe you have neglected to response to the most important part of my comment: What, then, is your comprehensive alternative?
  - michannne 7y ago
    You ask for an alternative as if there is a solution already being proposed, and yet, I see none.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
      I can definitely understand that perspective. Perhaps my earlier comments were too harsh, given I definitely feel defeated with regards to climate change. My current approach is to simply not care, as the added stress of caring didn't help and didn't do any favours to my general well being. It's all looking like a lot of too little too late. But, fortunately, at my age, I'll probably miss the worse of it. We probably need to simultaneously drastically limit carbon emissions and draw down atmospheric carbon / remove CO2 from the oceans. And I can't see how that's going to happen prior to things getting a lot worse. Having said that, we did act collectively to implement the Montreal Protocol[1], so there's a bit of a precedent for acting at this scale... but there were fairly straightforward alternatives to ozone depleting gas. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol
tracker1 7y ago
Use the three boxes... Soap, Ballot, and Ammo... in that order.

michannne 7y ago

>We probably, at this stage, need to approach this issue with a certainly level of moderated-panic, and attempt to address it on al lines across all levels. What does this mean? I have been hearing the terms "global warming" and "crisis" for almost 20 years now, yet it is almost always followed up with talk -- talk about how others could change their lifestyle choices, talk about how organizations can change how they function, talk about how we can talk even more to the right people. Very rarely have I ever seen a plan -- a formulated, step-by-step guide on what people or organizations must sacrifice in order to bring about a better future, and even less so people who actually act on that plan instead of simply reiterating it to anyone within earshot. I would absolutely not be surprised if this event, which some consider to be "necessary" on any level, does nothing to impact Amazon to change anything to improve the climate situation -- as far as they can see from my perspective, they see 900+ employees, some of whom are probably part-time and not getting paid anyways, with no actual plan of how global warming should be solved with respect to Amazon, but want to feel good for a time, feel as though they are making some level of actionable change on the world, until their time is over and they go back to work while they patiently wait for >one of the most innovative companies[0] to come up with a plan themselves. I've seen it time and time again, it solves nothing, achieves nothing. And I'd bet it all on black that this earns them nothing but contempt from their supervisors/managers. [0]: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1joUIg5O5pRS_R2OqXoJzbuCXcQ0trL9ki8XO2aO0prg/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1joUIg5O5pRS_R2OqXoJzbuCX...

apacheCamel 7y ago
You talk about talk in your opening paragraph, yet these people are actually trying to do something so I am not sure why you are so against it? It doesn't matter if they are part-time, full-time, janitor, Lead Designer, or the office coffee boy. Climate change affects them and they are trying to take action in getting Amazon to listen to them. They are doing much more than you and I discussing it on HN.
ianmobbs 7y ago
> Very rarely have I ever seen a plan -- a formulated, step-by-step guide on what people or organizations must sacrifice in order to bring about a better future, and even less so people who actually act on that plan instead of simply reiterating it to anyone within earshot. Perhaps you've heard of the Green New Deal?[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal#Models_for_implementation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal#Models_for_impl...
TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
I believe you have neglected to response to the most important part of my comment: What, then, is your comprehensive alternative?
- michannne 7y ago
  You ask for an alternative as if there is a solution already being proposed, and yet, I see none.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
    I can definitely understand that perspective. Perhaps my earlier comments were too harsh, given I definitely feel defeated with regards to climate change. My current approach is to simply not care, as the added stress of caring didn't help and didn't do any favours to my general well being. It's all looking like a lot of too little too late. But, fortunately, at my age, I'll probably miss the worse of it. We probably need to simultaneously drastically limit carbon emissions and draw down atmospheric carbon / remove CO2 from the oceans. And I can't see how that's going to happen prior to things getting a lot worse. Having said that, we did act collectively to implement the Montreal Protocol[1], so there's a bit of a precedent for acting at this scale... but there were fairly straightforward alternatives to ozone depleting gas. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol

tracker1 7y ago

Use the three boxes... Soap, Ballot, and Ammo... in that order.