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It's deeply depressing to see climate-related activities portrayed as political crusades, moreover on this forum! CC is not some subjective moral agenda we cou

by avip 7y ago

It's deeply depressing to see climate-related activities portrayed as political crusades, moreover on this forum! CC is not some subjective moral agenda we could disagree on. It's a scientifically proven disaster that had already happened, and have been known and ongoing for almost half a century now.

umvi 7y ago
> It's a scientifically proven disaster that has already happened Ok, then where are the thousands of people dying? Where's the "disaster" part? Proclaiming something to be a disaster when the average person can't even tell something is wrong without being told something is wrong is the problem. "It's a disaster because our computers and scientific instruments have predicted it to be so!" doesn't carry much weight. People need tangible evidence that impacts their bottom line. If you are in the Bahamas right now and you told someone "Hurricane Dorian is a scientifically proven disaster that has already happened," they would believe you, because they can see the carnage with their own eyes. They can see that their house is missing. They can see trees torn out of the ground. Say the same thing about climate change and they'll think "huh, this summer didn't seem any hotter than when I was a kid. And last winter we still got tons of snow like we always do." and they'll write it off as hyperbole.
- avip 7y ago
  >where are the thousands of people dying? Currently, mostly in India, Africa and Middle-East. >People need tangible evidence And we'll have plenty of that, if even the most conservative/optimist projections will materialize. Patience.
  - umvi 7y ago
    > And we'll have plenty of that, if even the most conservative/optimist projections will materialize. Patience. Right, and when we do, that will be the fire under humanity's collective butt to mobilize and act. It might be too late, it might not. I have faith that we will pull through.
- throwaway666666 7y ago
  climate change is the new religion, you don't need physical evidence you must just know it exists in your heart otherwise you are evil
ryandrake 7y ago
Not to take sides here, but every earnestly held political belief is seen by its passionate supporters as a known, proven fact.

by avip 7y ago

umvi 7y ago

> It's a scientifically proven disaster that has already happened Ok, then where are the thousands of people dying? Where's the "disaster" part? Proclaiming something to be a disaster when the average person can't even tell something is wrong without being told something is wrong is the problem. "It's a disaster because our computers and scientific instruments have predicted it to be so!" doesn't carry much weight. People need tangible evidence that impacts their bottom line. If you are in the Bahamas right now and you told someone "Hurricane Dorian is a scientifically proven disaster that has already happened," they would believe you, because they can see the carnage with their own eyes. They can see that their house is missing. They can see trees torn out of the ground. Say the same thing about climate change and they'll think "huh, this summer didn't seem any hotter than when I was a kid. And last winter we still got tons of snow like we always do." and they'll write it off as hyperbole.

avip 7y ago
>where are the thousands of people dying? Currently, mostly in India, Africa and Middle-East. >People need tangible evidence And we'll have plenty of that, if even the most conservative/optimist projections will materialize. Patience.
- umvi 7y ago
  > And we'll have plenty of that, if even the most conservative/optimist projections will materialize. Patience. Right, and when we do, that will be the fire under humanity's collective butt to mobilize and act. It might be too late, it might not. I have faith that we will pull through.
throwaway666666 7y ago
climate change is the new religion, you don't need physical evidence you must just know it exists in your heart otherwise you are evil

ryandrake 7y ago

Not to take sides here, but every earnestly held political belief is seen by its passionate supporters as a known, proven fact.