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Ah yes, the speed of smalltalk with the memory protection of C.

by gaze 7y ago

protomyth 7y ago
Yeah, but Objective-C spawned NeXTSTEP, and C++ got us Taligent.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  In a way both are market failures. NeXTSTEP only survives because Apple decided to buy NeXT instead of Be, and they did an inverted acquisition once inside Apple.
  - protomyth 7y ago
    NeXT was making money at the end, and powered OS X for a lot of years. Taligent released a framework and died. I love Be but it wasn't in the same league as NeXTSTEP, and I had both at the time.
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      What money were they making? Their agreement with Sun to create the future of Solaris SDK failed, with Sun using their work as genesis of J2EE. And their pivot into OpenSTEP wasn't selling like faster then they were bleeding. My thesis was to port a particle engine from NeXT to Windows, as my department was getting rid of their Cubes. Had Apple not bought them and we would be remembering NeXT just like Amiga, Atari, Be,....
      - protomyth 7y ago
        WebObjects was doing quite well.
        pjmlp 7y ago
        In what markets? Besides a couple of DDJ articles, I never saw it anywhere. Even the famous Steve Jobs presentation I only got to be aware of it years later when someone uploaded the VHS recordings to YouTube. Even those Cube workstations at the university seemed like pure luck having someone signing off their purchase. Which they repented afterwards and got students like myself to port their 3D research to Windows as part of our graduation thesis.
        protomyth 7y ago
        Dell's website used it. Just because you didn't see them doesn't mean things don't exist. How many Cray computers or iSeries machines have you seen in the wild?
        pjmlp 7y ago
        iSeries plenty of them in Portugal, part of my high school internship required doing backups of OS/400, used to be quite common across medium size companies. The old Cray has "died", they just assemble Linux/Windows HPC clusters like everyone else.
coldtea 7y ago
Or, you know, the speed and compatibility with everything of C, with the higher level organization of Smalltalk...

Ah yes, the speed of smalltalk with the memory protection of C.

by gaze 7y ago

Ah yes, the speed of smalltalk with the memory protection of C.

protomyth 7y ago

Yeah, but Objective-C spawned NeXTSTEP, and C++ got us Taligent.

pjmlp 7y ago
In a way both are market failures. NeXTSTEP only survives because Apple decided to buy NeXT instead of Be, and they did an inverted acquisition once inside Apple.
- protomyth 7y ago
  NeXT was making money at the end, and powered OS X for a lot of years. Taligent released a framework and died. I love Be but it wasn't in the same league as NeXTSTEP, and I had both at the time.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    What money were they making? Their agreement with Sun to create the future of Solaris SDK failed, with Sun using their work as genesis of J2EE. And their pivot into OpenSTEP wasn't selling like faster then they were bleeding. My thesis was to port a particle engine from NeXT to Windows, as my department was getting rid of their Cubes. Had Apple not bought them and we would be remembering NeXT just like Amiga, Atari, Be,....
    - protomyth 7y ago
      WebObjects was doing quite well.
      - pjmlp 7y ago
        In what markets? Besides a couple of DDJ articles, I never saw it anywhere. Even the famous Steve Jobs presentation I only got to be aware of it years later when someone uploaded the VHS recordings to YouTube. Even those Cube workstations at the university seemed like pure luck having someone signing off their purchase. Which they repented afterwards and got students like myself to port their 3D research to Windows as part of our graduation thesis.
        protomyth 7y ago
        Dell's website used it. Just because you didn't see them doesn't mean things don't exist. How many Cray computers or iSeries machines have you seen in the wild?
        pjmlp 7y ago
        iSeries plenty of them in Portugal, part of my high school internship required doing backups of OS/400, used to be quite common across medium size companies. The old Cray has "died", they just assemble Linux/Windows HPC clusters like everyone else.

coldtea 7y ago

Or, you know, the speed and compatibility with everything of C, with the higher level organization of Smalltalk...