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Yeah, fully integrated “DevOps” at scale is a pipe dream. You will always have some segregation of dev and ops because the scope of knowledge is so different, e
by wayoutthere 7y ago
Yeah, fully integrated “DevOps” at scale is a pipe dream. You will always have some segregation of dev and ops because the scope of knowledge is so different, especially today where “Ops” often means “expert in XXX cloud vendor’s product portfolio and how our operating model uses the features”.
What we call “DevOps” is really a delicate balance of giving the dev teams enough rope to hang themselves while child-proofing the gallows.
- parasubvert 7y agoI don’t think DevOps leaders are claiming DevOps should be fully integrated so much as there should be a culture of collaboration and empathy, shared metrics and incentives, and preference for end to end automation... rather than antagonistic “throw it over the wall”, “I’m a dev and am too important to be paged” behaviour, etc., which has nothing to do with skill specialization. Good contracts lead to good collaboration. Kubernetes provides the foundation for a solid end to end contract for managing complex systems automatically. It’s incomplete, but extendable.
- 0xdeadbeefbabe 7y ago> “I’m a dev and am too important to be paged” Also sounds too important to be dev.
- an_d_rew 7y ago> What we call “DevOps” is really a delicate balance of giving the dev teams enough rope to hang themselves while child-proofing the gallows. Oh, dear, @wayoutthere, my dev team is about to hate you because I'm going to use that quote extensively over the next few weeks... (giggle...)