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It's interesting seeing who the holdouts are, though. Less than a year ago, the CEO of Sentry (the crash reporter) locked a Github thread with essentially "we'l

It's interesting seeing who the holdouts are, though. Less than a year ago, the CEO of Sentry (the crash reporter) locked a Github thread with essentially "we'll get there when we get there, sometime in or after 2020." But then, as late as 2016 their stance was pretty much that they would never migrate, so I suppose it's not surprising that they aren't super prepared for it: https://github.com/getsentry/sentry/issues/8806#issuecomment-448670284 https://github.com/getsentry/sentry/issues/8806#issuecomment... https://github.com/getsentry/sentry/issues/1152#issuecomment-180161000 https://github.com/getsentry/sentry/issues/1152#issuecomment... I mean, even supervisord is migrated at this point, and it was a long-time laggard.

bscphil 7y ago
Calibre is another well known case, and they don't plan to migrate. Actually, I can't wait to remove it from my hard drive on Jan 1, since it's one of the most poorly designed apps I've ever used. It's really not surprising at all that they're not able to migrate it, assuming the quality of the app is indicative of the quality of the code. I wouldn't be surprised if the same was true of a lot of applications that are refusing to migrate. (I'll probably have to find an alternative to ebook-convert, the command line tool that's the only part of Calibre I use, or maybe I'll rewrite it in Python 3 myself.)
- tapia 7y ago
  And make a gnome core app with GTK3? That would pretty cool :)
- shscs911 7y ago
  That's not true. https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/blob/master/README.python3 https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/blob/master/README.pyt... https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/pull/870 https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/pull/870
  - bscphil 7y ago
    If that's the case, I'm glad to see things are changing. Up until very recently, there seem to have been no plans to switch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre/+bug/1714107 https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre/+bug/1714107 > No, it doesn't [need to convert to Python 3]. I am perfectly capable of maintaining python 2 myself. Far less work than migrating the entire calibre codebase.
    - gnulinux 7y ago
      > I am perfectly capable of maintaining python 2 myself. That's a very strange quote. I want to have this much self-confidence.
- partialrecall 7y ago
  The only good part of calibre is the `ebook-convert` commandline tool that has a stupid-simple interface (polar opposite of the gui) and handles all kinds of formats that pandoc doesn't. The gui, Calibre proper, is a total nightmare. Functional, but my god is it esoteric and ugly. I've heard people actually use that gui as their primary ebook reading software and I just can't fathom how they find that tolerable. https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/generated/en/ebook-convert.html https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/generated/en/ebook-convert....
  - shscs911 7y ago
    I dislike Calibre main GUI as well. It looks a bit dated and all, but really convenient for downloading books from Userfiction forums like Spacebattles via the Fanficfare plugin. Also good for simple editing of ebook metadata. Built-in ebook-viewer is highly configurable with custom keybindings and themable with custom CSS.This is my setup https://imgur.com/a/nlAAlZn https://imgur.com/a/nlAAlZn
  - notthemessiah 7y ago
    I use Calibre as my primary e-book reader. I don't see many alternatives on Linux.
    - shscs911 7y ago
      I basically use Calibre ebook viewer for its configurability and customization. If you want a good ebook reader, give Foliate (https://github.com/johnfactotum/foliate https://github.com/johnfactotum/foliate) a try. That and Bookworm (https://github.com/babluboy/bookworm https://github.com/babluboy/bookworm) are the best standalone ebook readers I've seen in Linux.
      - michaelmrose 7y ago
        Other than having a simpler layout I don't really see either as better than calibres reader. What's better other than looks?
- dralley 7y ago
  Calibre is, in fact, migrating. There are at this point dozens of commits over the past few months to that goal. Not sure what changed his mind.
  - iamnotacrook 7y ago
    Reality? You can maintain an absurd, unintuitive, dated UI by yourself fairly easily, but even someone who pushes out two minor updates per week is going to be taking on a little too much in my opinion if they believe they can also support a fork of a major language.
mynameisvlad 7y ago
His responses leave an incredibly sour taste in my mouth. Not only is he obviously short sighted with his "Python 2 is not the past and Python 3 is not the future" but all his responses just sound like someone who got up on the wrong side of the bed. Every morning.

bscphil 7y ago

Calibre is another well known case, and they don't plan to migrate. Actually, I can't wait to remove it from my hard drive on Jan 1, since it's one of the most poorly designed apps I've ever used. It's really not surprising at all that they're not able to migrate it, assuming the quality of the app is indicative of the quality of the code. I wouldn't be surprised if the same was true of a lot of applications that are refusing to migrate. (I'll probably have to find an alternative to ebook-convert, the command line tool that's the only part of Calibre I use, or maybe I'll rewrite it in Python 3 myself.)

tapia 7y ago
And make a gnome core app with GTK3? That would pretty cool :)
shscs911 7y ago
That's not true. https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/blob/master/README.python3 https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/blob/master/README.pyt... https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/pull/870 https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibre/pull/870
- bscphil 7y ago
  If that's the case, I'm glad to see things are changing. Up until very recently, there seem to have been no plans to switch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre/+bug/1714107 https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre/+bug/1714107 > No, it doesn't [need to convert to Python 3]. I am perfectly capable of maintaining python 2 myself. Far less work than migrating the entire calibre codebase.
  - gnulinux 7y ago
    > I am perfectly capable of maintaining python 2 myself. That's a very strange quote. I want to have this much self-confidence.
partialrecall 7y ago
The only good part of calibre is the `ebook-convert` commandline tool that has a stupid-simple interface (polar opposite of the gui) and handles all kinds of formats that pandoc doesn't. The gui, Calibre proper, is a total nightmare. Functional, but my god is it esoteric and ugly. I've heard people actually use that gui as their primary ebook reading software and I just can't fathom how they find that tolerable. https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/generated/en/ebook-convert.html https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/generated/en/ebook-convert....
- shscs911 7y ago
  I dislike Calibre main GUI as well. It looks a bit dated and all, but really convenient for downloading books from Userfiction forums like Spacebattles via the Fanficfare plugin. Also good for simple editing of ebook metadata. Built-in ebook-viewer is highly configurable with custom keybindings and themable with custom CSS.This is my setup https://imgur.com/a/nlAAlZn https://imgur.com/a/nlAAlZn
- notthemessiah 7y ago
  I use Calibre as my primary e-book reader. I don't see many alternatives on Linux.
  - shscs911 7y ago
    I basically use Calibre ebook viewer for its configurability and customization. If you want a good ebook reader, give Foliate (https://github.com/johnfactotum/foliate https://github.com/johnfactotum/foliate) a try. That and Bookworm (https://github.com/babluboy/bookworm https://github.com/babluboy/bookworm) are the best standalone ebook readers I've seen in Linux.
    - michaelmrose 7y ago
      Other than having a simpler layout I don't really see either as better than calibres reader. What's better other than looks?
dralley 7y ago
Calibre is, in fact, migrating. There are at this point dozens of commits over the past few months to that goal. Not sure what changed his mind.
- iamnotacrook 7y ago
  Reality? You can maintain an absurd, unintuitive, dated UI by yourself fairly easily, but even someone who pushes out two minor updates per week is going to be taking on a little too much in my opinion if they believe they can also support a fork of a major language.

mynameisvlad 7y ago

His responses leave an incredibly sour taste in my mouth. Not only is he obviously short sighted with his "Python 2 is not the past and Python 3 is not the future" but all his responses just sound like someone who got up on the wrong side of the bed. Every morning.