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Beyond Lennon Walls: Ways to Support the Hong Kong Protests from Afar

55 points by baylearn 7y ago

sittingnut 7y ago
why support hong kong protests? and not others, like yellow vests protests? attempt s at suppression is greater against yellow vests;dozen+ protesters killed there, zero in hk.
AndyMcConachie 7y ago
Or, you know, don't. The more I learn about what's actually going on HK the less I feel I understand it. I'm just some ignorant dude far away from what's happening being propagandized by my media. Any intervention I might involve myself in would probably not result in an outcome that I can pre-determine. So it's probably better if I just don't do anything.
- fwn 7y ago
  While I do think that there might be reasons not to support the current Hong Kong protests I don't think the specific reason from your comment is coherent. > Any intervention I might involve myself in would probably not result in an outcome that I can pre-determine. No outcome can be pre-determined. Society is hugely complex and there's far more factors than anyone of us might be able to realize. If the threshold for responsible societal participation would require individuals to fully understand society, no one would ever meet that requirement.
- cycrutchfield 7y ago
  At least you acknowledge your own ignorance. That’s at least commendable.
- PavlovsCat 7y ago
  No. If you are literate and have internet access, you have no excuse to look away and pretend that's neutrality. It's siding with the oppressor. https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/ > Of course, the terrible things I heard from the Nuremberg Trials, about the six million Jews and the people from other races who were killed, were facts that shocked me deeply. But I wasn't able to see the connection with my own past. I was satisfied that I wasn't personally to blame and that I hadn't known about those things. I wasn't aware of the extent. But one day I went past the memorial plaque which had been put up for Sophie Scholl in Franz Josef Strasse, and I saw that she was born the same year as me, and she was executed the same year I started working for Hitler. And at that moment I actually sensed that it was no excuse to be young, and that it would have been possible to find things out. -- Traudl Junge You can get propaganda and snippets of truth from non-CCP sources, you an get only propaganda from CCP sources. To put a point on it, the fact that footage of Tiananmen is available from the BBC, not from the CCP, is not because the BBC is just doing a propaganda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMKvxJ-Js3A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMKvxJ-Js3A The only thing standing between this being crushed by force is realtime awareness, and the isolation from China that could follow. You, by looking away, are doing their work. Don't.

55 points by baylearn 7y ago

why support hong kong protests? and not others, like yellow vests protests? attempt s at suppression is greater against yellow vests;dozen+ protesters killed there, zero in hk.

AndyMcConachie 7y ago

Or, you know, don't. The more I learn about what's actually going on HK the less I feel I understand it. I'm just some ignorant dude far away from what's happening being propagandized by my media. Any intervention I might involve myself in would probably not result in an outcome that I can pre-determine. So it's probably better if I just don't do anything.

fwn 7y ago
While I do think that there might be reasons not to support the current Hong Kong protests I don't think the specific reason from your comment is coherent. > Any intervention I might involve myself in would probably not result in an outcome that I can pre-determine. No outcome can be pre-determined. Society is hugely complex and there's far more factors than anyone of us might be able to realize. If the threshold for responsible societal participation would require individuals to fully understand society, no one would ever meet that requirement.
cycrutchfield 7y ago
At least you acknowledge your own ignorance. That’s at least commendable.
PavlovsCat 7y ago
No. If you are literate and have internet access, you have no excuse to look away and pretend that's neutrality. It's siding with the oppressor. https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/ > Of course, the terrible things I heard from the Nuremberg Trials, about the six million Jews and the people from other races who were killed, were facts that shocked me deeply. But I wasn't able to see the connection with my own past. I was satisfied that I wasn't personally to blame and that I hadn't known about those things. I wasn't aware of the extent. But one day I went past the memorial plaque which had been put up for Sophie Scholl in Franz Josef Strasse, and I saw that she was born the same year as me, and she was executed the same year I started working for Hitler. And at that moment I actually sensed that it was no excuse to be young, and that it would have been possible to find things out. -- Traudl Junge You can get propaganda and snippets of truth from non-CCP sources, you an get only propaganda from CCP sources. To put a point on it, the fact that footage of Tiananmen is available from the BBC, not from the CCP, is not because the BBC is just doing a propaganda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMKvxJ-Js3A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMKvxJ-Js3A The only thing standing between this being crushed by force is realtime awareness, and the isolation from China that could follow. You, by looking away, are doing their work. Don't.