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I think I know what you're talking about, are they really called "forced subtitles"? ...because otherwise I'd rather suggest the term "necessary subtitles", an

I think I know what you're talking about, are they really called "forced subtitles"? ...because otherwise I'd rather suggest the term "necessary subtitles", and yes, I've encountered that phenomena a few times while watching online streams, not just on Netflix.

rolph 7y ago
Hard Coded subtitles i think. Meaning its part of the stream and not injected into the container as a subtitle stream.
- OJFord 7y ago
  No, that's not what I meant, I believe it's implemented as a separate subtitle stream with a flag set to indicate it's to be forced. https://www.jbistudios.com/blog/what-are-forced-subtitles-in-video-translation https://www.jbistudios.com/blog/what-are-forced-subtitles-in...
  - rolph 7y ago
    ok i get it now, I Think you can mux them in if you have something like the VLC, but the cart is before the horse, if its for your own viewing. There was a place around where you can obtain subtitle tracks of all sorts.
    - OJFord 7y ago
      I'm not sure what you mean? I'm annoyed that Netflix omits them, if I was using VLC yes it would be on me to add them if I wasn't watching from a DVD/BD (but at least I could!). The film I was watching ('Norman') had whole scenes where the dialogue was exclusively Hebrew (I assume) on the primary (English) sound track, and even manually enabling English [CC] subs didn't help (I knew to try because I've seen it before). The film was definitely not meant to be that way, and if I'd been watching on disc it wouldn't have been.
      - rolph 7y ago
        if you want to make a hobby out of it so others can enjoy your labours, there is a way to unpackage the stream contents with a subtitle stream, and then package it up again. there is/was a website that offers subtitle streams, and there is still subtitle editor/creators around so you can roll your own subtitles.
OJFord 7y ago
That's certainly how I know them, seems widely enough used: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=forced+subtitles https://duckduckgo.com/?q=forced+subtitles 'Forced' because they're forced into display even when subtitles are not otherwise on (for the duration of the foreign dialogue, or whatever).

rolph 7y ago

Hard Coded subtitles i think. Meaning its part of the stream and not injected into the container as a subtitle stream.

OJFord 7y ago
No, that's not what I meant, I believe it's implemented as a separate subtitle stream with a flag set to indicate it's to be forced. https://www.jbistudios.com/blog/what-are-forced-subtitles-in-video-translation https://www.jbistudios.com/blog/what-are-forced-subtitles-in...
- rolph 7y ago
  ok i get it now, I Think you can mux them in if you have something like the VLC, but the cart is before the horse, if its for your own viewing. There was a place around where you can obtain subtitle tracks of all sorts.
  - OJFord 7y ago
    I'm not sure what you mean? I'm annoyed that Netflix omits them, if I was using VLC yes it would be on me to add them if I wasn't watching from a DVD/BD (but at least I could!). The film I was watching ('Norman') had whole scenes where the dialogue was exclusively Hebrew (I assume) on the primary (English) sound track, and even manually enabling English [CC] subs didn't help (I knew to try because I've seen it before). The film was definitely not meant to be that way, and if I'd been watching on disc it wouldn't have been.
    - rolph 7y ago
      if you want to make a hobby out of it so others can enjoy your labours, there is a way to unpackage the stream contents with a subtitle stream, and then package it up again. there is/was a website that offers subtitle streams, and there is still subtitle editor/creators around so you can roll your own subtitles.

OJFord 7y ago

That's certainly how I know them, seems widely enough used: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=forced+subtitles https://duckduckgo.com/?q=forced+subtitles 'Forced' because they're forced into display even when subtitles are not otherwise on (for the duration of the foreign dialogue, or whatever).