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AKA How to get pulled over at every traffic stop you ever pass by.

by dogma1138 7y ago

anigbrowl 7y ago
Be clean, put a camera on the dash, sue the police, profit.
- dogma1138 7y ago
  The world does not start and ends with the US, one of my colleagues had one of the first 10 model S’s in the UK he haven’t been pulled over for like 5 years before that he still jokes about being pulled over 13 times during the first week because the cops just wanted to take a peek at the car. Driving a flashy car has implications like it or not, driving an obnoxiously flashy car is even worse. And in the US it’s likely even worse since a traffic stop is one of the most dangerous interactions you can have with the police. It also has other implications, parked at a block you don’t live on around the time a crime occurred? Well take a guess which car would be definitely reported as suspicious during the testimony sweep... P.S. I’ve seen conflicted studies about the benefits of a dash cam or stating to the police you are filing the engagement; while some studies show it reduces the “aggression” officers might display others show that it increases the chances of them basically wanting to fuck with you; if you think you can never be baited into acting out or they can’t confuse you during questioning to give a contradictory statement e.g. asking where you’ve been and where you are going multiple times then by all means drive what ever you want. I would rather minimize my interaction with the police because I can’t think of a single interaction with them that would be objectively pleasant under all conditions and I can’t guarantee that they won’t catch me on a bad day when I’m in a pissy mood and I might act or say something that could be taken as aggressive or suspicious.
  - llukas 7y ago
    "land of the free and scared" - unfortunately
    - dogma1138 7y ago
      I’m not American nor do I live in the states, I wouldn’t do this shit in the UK where the cops are not even armed either.
  - emsy 7y ago
    But that's kind of the point of the article. if everyone's flashy everyone would need to be pulled over.
  - anigbrowl 7y ago
    I didn't say anything about the US, dashcams are used in many countries. Maybe you should unwind a little.
    - perl4ever 7y ago
      In fact, dashcams are stereotypically used in specific places outside the US...
      - dogma1138 7y ago
        Ah yes because Russia is the place where you sue the police and win...
  - kuzimoto 7y ago
    > And in the US it’s likely even worse since a traffic stop is one of the most dangerous interactions you can have with the police. Can you expand further on this, or provide some statistics/sources? It seems highly unlikely that a traffic stop could be at all dangerous unless you're not cooperating. Of course there are extremely rare cases where accidents happen, but without doing any research would be willing to guess it's less than .001% of all stops.
    - pvaldes 7y ago
      > It seems highly unlikely that a traffic stop could be at all dangerous Is a rare event but it seems that is still dangerous for both drivers and police "It is not uncommon for routine traffic stops to escalate into a violent situation... At least 300 officers have been killed by drivers or other occupants of vehicles involved in traffic stops or pursuits" source: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.544.766&rep=rep1&type=pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.544... Googling "killed by police traffic stop US" returns a depressing amount of positives also
      - kuzimoto 7y ago
        I appreciate the response, but I don't think you really took the time to investigate and cherry-picked a single quote to prove your point. The source you listed is actually disproving your premise. > ... the risk of police victimization, police homicides and assaults were found to be very infrequent occurrences during traffic encounters. The results of this study cast doubt on the Court’s assumption of danger during the routine police–citizen traffic encounter. > Despite anecdotal accounts that show particular instances of danger confronted by law enforcement officers, there are few research findings or statistics to support the assumption of police dangerousness during traffic encounters. > Most, if not all of the assertions that routine traffic stops are dangerous rely on the Federal Bureau of Investigation(FBI)’s data on police homicide and assault victimization during traffic encounters. All of these assertions share one crippling methodological flaw. They fail to appropriately account for the frequency of the police activity in the risk calculation So yes, there are going to be a number of fatalities during traffic stops, but there are also a very large number of total traffic stops. Police work is inherently dangerous, and if you're stopping a large number of people you're going to run into dangerous people with a much higher chance of a fatality. To assert that the average person be fearful of a traffic stop because some people were killed is just completely false. Police work is dangerous, I imagine they go into any situation with the assumption the person is dangerous.
- 0x00000000 7y ago
  She is still going to get ticketed for the illegally tinted lights though.
- cortesoft 7y ago
  Spend all your money on lawyers and not win a single dime. Has anyone ever won a lawsuit for being pulled over without cause?
  - astura 7y ago
    Sorta... A woman was pulled over because she gave a cop the middle finger. A court found that by doing that the cop violated her First Amendment and Fourth Amendment constitutional rights. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/court-flipping-the-bird-to-cop-is-free-speech/2019/03/13/cf9c56d2-45d0-11e9-aaf8-4512a6fe3439_story.html?arc404=true&noredirect=on https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/court...
abawany 7y ago
This rings true to my anecdotal experience: was driving a badly plastidip-ed car in a politically red neighborhood and was falsely stopped for not signaling right; I had, but I prefer not being shot so I expressed general confusion when confronted by this falsehood. The police person quickly turned the conversation to drugs and shining his light in the car but gave up without indulging in a full search of the vehicle and wrote me up a warning. That was not a fun experience.
- Noumenon72 7y ago
  You could ask the cop to check that your blinker is working when you turn it on, in case that reconciles both of your experiences.

AKA How to get pulled over at every traffic stop you ever pass by.

anigbrowl 7y ago

Be clean, put a camera on the dash, sue the police, profit.

dogma1138 7y ago
The world does not start and ends with the US, one of my colleagues had one of the first 10 model S’s in the UK he haven’t been pulled over for like 5 years before that he still jokes about being pulled over 13 times during the first week because the cops just wanted to take a peek at the car. Driving a flashy car has implications like it or not, driving an obnoxiously flashy car is even worse. And in the US it’s likely even worse since a traffic stop is one of the most dangerous interactions you can have with the police. It also has other implications, parked at a block you don’t live on around the time a crime occurred? Well take a guess which car would be definitely reported as suspicious during the testimony sweep... P.S. I’ve seen conflicted studies about the benefits of a dash cam or stating to the police you are filing the engagement; while some studies show it reduces the “aggression” officers might display others show that it increases the chances of them basically wanting to fuck with you; if you think you can never be baited into acting out or they can’t confuse you during questioning to give a contradictory statement e.g. asking where you’ve been and where you are going multiple times then by all means drive what ever you want. I would rather minimize my interaction with the police because I can’t think of a single interaction with them that would be objectively pleasant under all conditions and I can’t guarantee that they won’t catch me on a bad day when I’m in a pissy mood and I might act or say something that could be taken as aggressive or suspicious.
- llukas 7y ago
  "land of the free and scared" - unfortunately
  - dogma1138 7y ago
    I’m not American nor do I live in the states, I wouldn’t do this shit in the UK where the cops are not even armed either.
- emsy 7y ago
  But that's kind of the point of the article. if everyone's flashy everyone would need to be pulled over.
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  I didn't say anything about the US, dashcams are used in many countries. Maybe you should unwind a little.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    In fact, dashcams are stereotypically used in specific places outside the US...
    - dogma1138 7y ago
      Ah yes because Russia is the place where you sue the police and win...
- kuzimoto 7y ago
  > And in the US it’s likely even worse since a traffic stop is one of the most dangerous interactions you can have with the police. Can you expand further on this, or provide some statistics/sources? It seems highly unlikely that a traffic stop could be at all dangerous unless you're not cooperating. Of course there are extremely rare cases where accidents happen, but without doing any research would be willing to guess it's less than .001% of all stops.
  - pvaldes 7y ago
    > It seems highly unlikely that a traffic stop could be at all dangerous Is a rare event but it seems that is still dangerous for both drivers and police "It is not uncommon for routine traffic stops to escalate into a violent situation... At least 300 officers have been killed by drivers or other occupants of vehicles involved in traffic stops or pursuits" source: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.544.766&rep=rep1&type=pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.544... Googling "killed by police traffic stop US" returns a depressing amount of positives also
    - kuzimoto 7y ago
      I appreciate the response, but I don't think you really took the time to investigate and cherry-picked a single quote to prove your point. The source you listed is actually disproving your premise. > ... the risk of police victimization, police homicides and assaults were found to be very infrequent occurrences during traffic encounters. The results of this study cast doubt on the Court’s assumption of danger during the routine police–citizen traffic encounter. > Despite anecdotal accounts that show particular instances of danger confronted by law enforcement officers, there are few research findings or statistics to support the assumption of police dangerousness during traffic encounters. > Most, if not all of the assertions that routine traffic stops are dangerous rely on the Federal Bureau of Investigation(FBI)’s data on police homicide and assault victimization during traffic encounters. All of these assertions share one crippling methodological flaw. They fail to appropriately account for the frequency of the police activity in the risk calculation So yes, there are going to be a number of fatalities during traffic stops, but there are also a very large number of total traffic stops. Police work is inherently dangerous, and if you're stopping a large number of people you're going to run into dangerous people with a much higher chance of a fatality. To assert that the average person be fearful of a traffic stop because some people were killed is just completely false. Police work is dangerous, I imagine they go into any situation with the assumption the person is dangerous.
0x00000000 7y ago
She is still going to get ticketed for the illegally tinted lights though.
cortesoft 7y ago
Spend all your money on lawyers and not win a single dime. Has anyone ever won a lawsuit for being pulled over without cause?
- astura 7y ago
  Sorta... A woman was pulled over because she gave a cop the middle finger. A court found that by doing that the cop violated her First Amendment and Fourth Amendment constitutional rights. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/court-flipping-the-bird-to-cop-is-free-speech/2019/03/13/cf9c56d2-45d0-11e9-aaf8-4512a6fe3439_story.html?arc404=true&noredirect=on https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/court...

abawany 7y ago

This rings true to my anecdotal experience: was driving a badly plastidip-ed car in a politically red neighborhood and was falsely stopped for not signaling right; I had, but I prefer not being shot so I expressed general confusion when confronted by this falsehood. The police person quickly turned the conversation to drugs and shining his light in the car but gave up without indulging in a full search of the vehicle and wrote me up a warning. That was not a fun experience.

Noumenon72 7y ago
You could ask the cop to check that your blinker is working when you turn it on, in case that reconciles both of your experiences.