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Please make this a reality. To-Do is a joke compared to Wunderlist. It suffers from the same fate as all MS-built iOS apps: random logouts. I can't convince an

by vxNsr 7y ago

Please make this a reality. To-Do is a joke compared to Wunderlist. It suffers from the same fate as all MS-built iOS apps: random logouts. I can't convince anyone to use MS apps because the first time they get logged out after an update they just stop using the app.

baddox 7y ago
That sounds like an infuriating and interesting bug. Any idea what would cause that across Microsoft iOS apps? Do they just aggressively timeout sessions?
- valleyjo 7y ago
  If it's a work or school account it can be related to cache lifetime settings your admin sets on the accounts. At my company it's set to an infuriating two days, so every Monday I have to log back in with 2FA again...
  - vxNsr 7y ago
    That's ridiculous. Apps should stay logged in for as long as the app is installed on your phone or until you log out/change the password. This is actually for personal accounts. (Specifically family)
- umeshunni 7y ago
  It's not just ToDo and not just on iOS. I'm a heavy OneNote user and I can't get OneNote on the web to stay logged in more than a day.
discreditable 7y ago
And God help them if they somehow have a work/school and personal Microsoft account and don't remember which one they used.
- chris_wot 7y ago
  The company I now work for has decided to separate out admin accounts in Windows. Fair enough, except it's not like a Unix system where you can quickly context switch. Trying to administer Office 365 with two separate Office 365 accounts is an absolutely nightmare!
  - wickedwiesel 7y ago
    Sorry, maybe I am missing something here. For local admin, I agree re context switching etc. But for O365 admin, we have a similar setup and I admin O365 through a separate container tab or Powershell where you need to connect to Azure separately anyways. Seems straightforward to me.
  - goatinaboat 7y ago
    The company I now work for has decided to separate out admin accounts in Windows Do they know that doesn’t work? If you do a run-as then you are as vulnerable to PTH as you would be if you just logged in with the admin account anyway... you need to go full PAW these days.
    - vxNsr 7y ago
      Could you expand on this? we have a similar set up for our domain admin accounts and I heard it was the safest way to do things. What do you mean by PAW?
      - wickedwiesel 7y ago
        A PAW is a "privilged access workstation", i.E. a dedicated, hardened machine just for the purpose of admin tasks. Due to the specialized tasks it needs to run, the workstation can be - cut off from general purpose Internet etc., - a non-mobile device, - etc.... See for instance Microsoft's documentation: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/identity/securing-privileged-access/privileged-access-workstations https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/identity/sec...
      - 7y ago
Phenomenit 7y ago
It does this on Win10 apps as well, inside, before, after. "Please log in"
Kwpolska 7y ago
I tried to switch to Microsoft To-Do from Wunderlist. It was a very fresh product when I did that, I tried to give it a chance, but it just didn’t work for me. I opened the web version now, and it still lacks something as basic as an “All tasks” list. Oh, it’s still garbage. (I migrated to any.do and I’m a very happy user of that. Even if they don’t have a true native Mac app and don’t care about one.)
mattkevan 7y ago
Argh. It’s infuriating. I’ve had to start using Office after managing to avoid it for most of my career, and every day it makes me sign in with 2FA on Mac, iOS and the web. For. Every. Single. App. It’s so boring and stupid.
charles_f 7y ago
I don't understand what's a joke in to-do? I migrated in the early days of the buy-out, and sure at that time features were lacking. But the app today is at feature par with wunderlist. Honestly couldn't do without the "my-day" feature now that I'm using it, can have multiple accounts (pro/perso) in the same client. Apart from a basic anti-microsoft stance is there anything substantiating the hatred?
- vxNsr 7y ago
  > It suffers from the same fate as all MS-built iOS apps: random logouts. I can't convince anyone to use MS apps because the first time they get logged out after an update they just stop using the app. If you had read the rest of the paragraph you would see a legit complaint. Another legit complaint is that you can't see who marked a task as complete in ToDo, while you can in Wunderlist. But the reason it's a joke compared to Wunderlist is the logout thing, there is no legitimate reason to not have persistent login across updates (at least on iOS) and the fact that MS hasn't figured this out yet is just embarrassing. It's a todo app, I shouldn't need to login in the first place, but if you're gonna make me login, don't log me out.
dexterdog 7y ago
This is the source of much frustration in my use of the Outlook and Teams apps on my phone.

by vxNsr 7y ago

baddox 7y ago

That sounds like an infuriating and interesting bug. Any idea what would cause that across Microsoft iOS apps? Do they just aggressively timeout sessions?

valleyjo 7y ago
If it's a work or school account it can be related to cache lifetime settings your admin sets on the accounts. At my company it's set to an infuriating two days, so every Monday I have to log back in with 2FA again...
- vxNsr 7y ago
  That's ridiculous. Apps should stay logged in for as long as the app is installed on your phone or until you log out/change the password. This is actually for personal accounts. (Specifically family)
umeshunni 7y ago
It's not just ToDo and not just on iOS. I'm a heavy OneNote user and I can't get OneNote on the web to stay logged in more than a day.

discreditable 7y ago

And God help them if they somehow have a work/school and personal Microsoft account and don't remember which one they used.

chris_wot 7y ago
The company I now work for has decided to separate out admin accounts in Windows. Fair enough, except it's not like a Unix system where you can quickly context switch. Trying to administer Office 365 with two separate Office 365 accounts is an absolutely nightmare!
- wickedwiesel 7y ago
  Sorry, maybe I am missing something here. For local admin, I agree re context switching etc. But for O365 admin, we have a similar setup and I admin O365 through a separate container tab or Powershell where you need to connect to Azure separately anyways. Seems straightforward to me.
- goatinaboat 7y ago
  The company I now work for has decided to separate out admin accounts in Windows Do they know that doesn’t work? If you do a run-as then you are as vulnerable to PTH as you would be if you just logged in with the admin account anyway... you need to go full PAW these days.
  - vxNsr 7y ago
    Could you expand on this? we have a similar set up for our domain admin accounts and I heard it was the safest way to do things. What do you mean by PAW?
    - wickedwiesel 7y ago
      A PAW is a "privilged access workstation", i.E. a dedicated, hardened machine just for the purpose of admin tasks. Due to the specialized tasks it needs to run, the workstation can be - cut off from general purpose Internet etc., - a non-mobile device, - etc.... See for instance Microsoft's documentation: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/identity/securing-privileged-access/privileged-access-workstations https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/identity/sec...
    - 7y ago

Phenomenit 7y ago

It does this on Win10 apps as well, inside, before, after. "Please log in"

Kwpolska 7y ago

I tried to switch to Microsoft To-Do from Wunderlist. It was a very fresh product when I did that, I tried to give it a chance, but it just didn’t work for me. I opened the web version now, and it still lacks something as basic as an “All tasks” list. Oh, it’s still garbage. (I migrated to any.do and I’m a very happy user of that. Even if they don’t have a true native Mac app and don’t care about one.)

mattkevan 7y ago

Argh. It’s infuriating. I’ve had to start using Office after managing to avoid it for most of my career, and every day it makes me sign in with 2FA on Mac, iOS and the web. For. Every. Single. App. It’s so boring and stupid.

charles_f 7y ago

I don't understand what's a joke in to-do? I migrated in the early days of the buy-out, and sure at that time features were lacking. But the app today is at feature par with wunderlist. Honestly couldn't do without the "my-day" feature now that I'm using it, can have multiple accounts (pro/perso) in the same client. Apart from a basic anti-microsoft stance is there anything substantiating the hatred?

vxNsr 7y ago
> It suffers from the same fate as all MS-built iOS apps: random logouts. I can't convince anyone to use MS apps because the first time they get logged out after an update they just stop using the app. If you had read the rest of the paragraph you would see a legit complaint. Another legit complaint is that you can't see who marked a task as complete in ToDo, while you can in Wunderlist. But the reason it's a joke compared to Wunderlist is the logout thing, there is no legitimate reason to not have persistent login across updates (at least on iOS) and the fact that MS hasn't figured this out yet is just embarrassing. It's a todo app, I shouldn't need to login in the first place, but if you're gonna make me login, don't log me out.

dexterdog 7y ago

This is the source of much frustration in my use of the Outlook and Teams apps on my phone.