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How is what you're describing any different from the anti-Greens who complain climate change isn't real because it gets cold sometimes?

AstralStorm 7y ago
Because he isn't complaining about it? You felt like making him a member of the "denier" tribe. See how easy it is to fall in that thought pattern to try and silence and ignore someone you don't agree with. Some things that certain greens push are ridiculous, many are not. Ridiculous include: - rage against nuclear power - rage against GMO - rage against pesticides that are better than alternatives - trying to force everyone to go vegan Non ridiculous include: - blocking road building projects through nature preserve - trying to convince others to reduce their carbon and energy footprint - promoting renewable energy and electric cars - trying to save bees - outcry against oil spills and burning off gas from oil wells - increasing awareness of climate change - getting people to eat more vegetables and local foods - fighting for unpolluted water Irrelevant include: - strains of antiglobalism
msla 7y ago
Because everything I'm in favor of is backed by the best current scientific understanding as I understand it, and everything I'm against is opposed to that understanding as I understand it. AGW is real. Clean coal is a contradiction in terms. GMOs are largely a good thing. "Organic" food (that is, food labeled "Organic") is no better than the alternatives, and potentially worse in some ways. Nuclear power is potentially a very good thing, but there are so many possible reactor designs and waste strategies it's impossible to make a blanket statement. Homeopathy and chiropractic and alternative medicine are all outright shit, and Reiki is such shit it doesn't deserve to be taken seriously enough to be debunked. If you can't distinguish me from the "Global warming? AL GORE! HAW HAW HAW!" crowd now, you really need to do some re-calibration.
- nicoburns 7y ago
  Crop monocultures and habitat destruction enabled by the use of pesticides are a real issue though, which significantly reduces the resilience of our food supply to future threats. These are also issues around patented seeds, and soil degredation that organic producers tend to be better at, even if it's not technically what organic means...

AstralStorm 7y ago

Because he isn't complaining about it? You felt like making him a member of the "denier" tribe. See how easy it is to fall in that thought pattern to try and silence and ignore someone you don't agree with. Some things that certain greens push are ridiculous, many are not. Ridiculous include: - rage against nuclear power - rage against GMO - rage against pesticides that are better than alternatives - trying to force everyone to go vegan Non ridiculous include: - blocking road building projects through nature preserve - trying to convince others to reduce their carbon and energy footprint - promoting renewable energy and electric cars - trying to save bees - outcry against oil spills and burning off gas from oil wells - increasing awareness of climate change - getting people to eat more vegetables and local foods - fighting for unpolluted water Irrelevant include: - strains of antiglobalism

msla 7y ago

Because everything I'm in favor of is backed by the best current scientific understanding as I understand it, and everything I'm against is opposed to that understanding as I understand it. AGW is real. Clean coal is a contradiction in terms. GMOs are largely a good thing. "Organic" food (that is, food labeled "Organic") is no better than the alternatives, and potentially worse in some ways. Nuclear power is potentially a very good thing, but there are so many possible reactor designs and waste strategies it's impossible to make a blanket statement. Homeopathy and chiropractic and alternative medicine are all outright shit, and Reiki is such shit it doesn't deserve to be taken seriously enough to be debunked. If you can't distinguish me from the "Global warming? AL GORE! HAW HAW HAW!" crowd now, you really need to do some re-calibration.

nicoburns 7y ago
Crop monocultures and habitat destruction enabled by the use of pesticides are a real issue though, which significantly reduces the resilience of our food supply to future threats. These are also issues around patented seeds, and soil degredation that organic producers tend to be better at, even if it's not technically what organic means...