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> Are you saying people shouldn’t get a say on how their cities are run? If there's one thing Bay Area cities have proven, it's that their citizens are incapab

> Are you saying people shouldn’t get a say on how their cities are run? If there's one thing Bay Area cities have proven, it's that their citizens are incapable of running their cities. Putting NIMBY interests above regional interests are how they ended up in the current situation where any solution requires 7 counties, 22 regional associations and hundreds of so-called cities who can object to anything but are incapable of doing anything..

jelliclesfarm 7y ago
I have never understood why NIMBYism is a bad thing. It simply means that one is involved with local governance and wants to voice their needs. It’s a good thing, yes? Regional government is Big Govt which is inefficient, bulky and expensive. Small units are efficient to run and tighter ships to maneuver. YIMBYism is too close to co-dependency rather than cooperation. Do we want a nanny state?
- SamReidHughes 7y ago
  You could draw a distinction between nimbyism that infringes on people's ability to do what they want with their own property, and nimbyism in regards to what the government does with its money.
  - jelliclesfarm 7y ago
    Right. I think those people are only asking that their voice be heard before the elected city council members pass motions to accept grant money with strings. Fremont has to dip into its general and emergency funds and use city owned land to build these HNCs. That’s the commons. The city council held public meetings but about location. They had already voted to accept grant money. Further, there are many shelters and homes in the city. The grant money doesn’t need to go to HNCs. Providing more services through the existing 6-7 locations and providing mobile services like health checks, laundry/showers/food while transitioning them to permanent housing are other options, but they are not being explored. The biggest chunk would go to paying BACS, a non profit that would be managing the HNCs. The people also don’t want it near schools and residential homes. I feel it’s all valid concerns. I wouldn’t doubt the cynicism and distrust expressed by the local citizenry when elected officials hurriedly pass measures without local input. When the commons are impacted, everyone gets to voice their concerns.
throwawaynihil 7y ago
You're absolutely right. That's why there are so few jobs, businesses, universities, or cultural attractions in the bay. Nobody lives there anymore.

jelliclesfarm 7y ago

I have never understood why NIMBYism is a bad thing. It simply means that one is involved with local governance and wants to voice their needs. It’s a good thing, yes? Regional government is Big Govt which is inefficient, bulky and expensive. Small units are efficient to run and tighter ships to maneuver. YIMBYism is too close to co-dependency rather than cooperation. Do we want a nanny state?

SamReidHughes 7y ago
You could draw a distinction between nimbyism that infringes on people's ability to do what they want with their own property, and nimbyism in regards to what the government does with its money.
- jelliclesfarm 7y ago
  Right. I think those people are only asking that their voice be heard before the elected city council members pass motions to accept grant money with strings. Fremont has to dip into its general and emergency funds and use city owned land to build these HNCs. That’s the commons. The city council held public meetings but about location. They had already voted to accept grant money. Further, there are many shelters and homes in the city. The grant money doesn’t need to go to HNCs. Providing more services through the existing 6-7 locations and providing mobile services like health checks, laundry/showers/food while transitioning them to permanent housing are other options, but they are not being explored. The biggest chunk would go to paying BACS, a non profit that would be managing the HNCs. The people also don’t want it near schools and residential homes. I feel it’s all valid concerns. I wouldn’t doubt the cynicism and distrust expressed by the local citizenry when elected officials hurriedly pass measures without local input. When the commons are impacted, everyone gets to voice their concerns.

throwawaynihil 7y ago

You're absolutely right. That's why there are so few jobs, businesses, universities, or cultural attractions in the bay. Nobody lives there anymore.