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Well that’s good that they’re racing petrol cars and I applaud them for doing it. They’re wealthy enough to be able to afford it. It’s what’s necessary to move

Well that’s good that they’re racing petrol cars and I applaud them for doing it. They’re wealthy enough to be able to afford it. It’s what’s necessary to move away from carbon.

burntoutfire 7y ago
It makes cars less affordable for everybody. Not everyone lives in an area with good (or any) public transport. This is effectively a very heavy tax to "save the planet", which won't have much of an effect (Norway is too small to have any impact on global CO2 emissions), except for Norwegians having to work more in order to pay off this tax.
close04 7y ago
> It’s what’s necessary to move away from carbon. You hear that a lot and yet the second someone poses the hypothetical question of whether everything should be taxed according to its actual “carbon lifecycle”# (and perhaps even beyond carbon) you usually get a “weelll... buuuuttt...”. #That [whatever] that came on the most polluting cargo ship humans could build? Add $xxx to the price tag.
- SECProto 7y ago
  I gather you are referring to the oft-quoted stat about the cargo ship being "more polluting" than so many millions of cars? That is referring specifically to SOx I believe. It definitely is not referring to carbon emissions. Container ships have the lowest gCO2/(km*kg)
  - close04 7y ago
    It was more generic than that (see mention of beyond carbon). Otherwise we’d still be heavily promoting diesel as the clean alternative to gasoline. The cargo ship was just something to exemplify the point of taxing for destroying the environment. You’re free to pick any example you feel suits better and the principle will still apply.
    - SECProto 7y ago
      I'm all in favour of carbon tax to reduce emissions. They would result in pressure for electric vehicles of all sorts, improve the economics for renewable electricity, maybe increase funding availability for carbon capture research. Cargo ships would likely stay the same for a long time in the future (but might implement fuel reduction techniques that are at a lower TRL (thinking specifically of a long lead parasail/kite that I read about a couple years back)

Well that’s good that they’re racing petrol cars and I applaud them for doing it. They’re wealthy enough to be able to afford it. It’s what’s necessary to move away from carbon.

burntoutfire 7y ago

It makes cars less affordable for everybody. Not everyone lives in an area with good (or any) public transport. This is effectively a very heavy tax to "save the planet", which won't have much of an effect (Norway is too small to have any impact on global CO2 emissions), except for Norwegians having to work more in order to pay off this tax.

close04 7y ago

> It’s what’s necessary to move away from carbon. You hear that a lot and yet the second someone poses the hypothetical question of whether everything should be taxed according to its actual “carbon lifecycle”# (and perhaps even beyond carbon) you usually get a “weelll... buuuuttt...”. #That [whatever] that came on the most polluting cargo ship humans could build? Add $xxx to the price tag.

SECProto 7y ago
I gather you are referring to the oft-quoted stat about the cargo ship being "more polluting" than so many millions of cars? That is referring specifically to SOx I believe. It definitely is not referring to carbon emissions. Container ships have the lowest gCO2/(km*kg)
- close04 7y ago
  It was more generic than that (see mention of beyond carbon). Otherwise we’d still be heavily promoting diesel as the clean alternative to gasoline. The cargo ship was just something to exemplify the point of taxing for destroying the environment. You’re free to pick any example you feel suits better and the principle will still apply.
  - SECProto 7y ago
    I'm all in favour of carbon tax to reduce emissions. They would result in pressure for electric vehicles of all sorts, improve the economics for renewable electricity, maybe increase funding availability for carbon capture research. Cargo ships would likely stay the same for a long time in the future (but might implement fuel reduction techniques that are at a lower TRL (thinking specifically of a long lead parasail/kite that I read about a couple years back)