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What does "sex trafficked" mean? Is it prostitution? Sexual slavery? Why do you use such an unclear term in a discussion?

jakelazaroff 7y ago
Is that really an important question? Is there an definition that would make it okay?
- dennisgorelik 7y ago
  Yes, "why do you use 'sex trafficking' term?" is an important question. Yes: if under "sex trafficking" we understand [consensual] "prostitution", then in some states it is OK. But even if "sex trafficking" is not ok -- there are various degrees of "not ok". That is why it is important to use clear definitions in a discussion. Unclear "sex trafficking" term converts discussion from rational to irrational, when everyone is free to imagine what exactly "sex trafficking" means.
  - jakelazaroff 7y ago
    I don’t know of any definition of “sex trafficking” in which it’s consensual. But just so we’re clear, here’s the relevant part of the quote: > We literally had a conversation about how, on the off chance that they’re not there by choice, we could maybe help them.
    - dennisgorelik 7y ago
      Do you have an information that sex that these girls had with Epstein or with his friends or with his clients - was not consensual? The stories that these girls told suggest that they were free to leave.
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onemoresoop 7y ago
To keep it short it just means pimping, which is illegal
- dennisgorelik 7y ago
  1) Is it illegal to receive donations from pimps? 2) Is "forced suicide" a fair punishment for pimps?
  - onemoresoop 7y ago
    1) I would assume so 2) I have no idea what to say about this. The punishment should have been served by the legal system which as we all know failed the first time around. The forced suicide as you call it is a terrible outcome, lots of important people escaped and sighed relief. We don't know what Epstein would have divulged and now we will never know that.

jakelazaroff 7y ago

Is that really an important question? Is there an definition that would make it okay?

dennisgorelik 7y ago
Yes, "why do you use 'sex trafficking' term?" is an important question. Yes: if under "sex trafficking" we understand [consensual] "prostitution", then in some states it is OK. But even if "sex trafficking" is not ok -- there are various degrees of "not ok". That is why it is important to use clear definitions in a discussion. Unclear "sex trafficking" term converts discussion from rational to irrational, when everyone is free to imagine what exactly "sex trafficking" means.
- jakelazaroff 7y ago
  I don’t know of any definition of “sex trafficking” in which it’s consensual. But just so we’re clear, here’s the relevant part of the quote: > We literally had a conversation about how, on the off chance that they’re not there by choice, we could maybe help them.
  - dennisgorelik 7y ago
    Do you have an information that sex that these girls had with Epstein or with his friends or with his clients - was not consensual? The stories that these girls told suggest that they were free to leave.

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onemoresoop 7y ago

To keep it short it just means pimping, which is illegal

dennisgorelik 7y ago
1) Is it illegal to receive donations from pimps? 2) Is "forced suicide" a fair punishment for pimps?
- onemoresoop 7y ago
  1) I would assume so 2) I have no idea what to say about this. The punishment should have been served by the legal system which as we all know failed the first time around. The forced suicide as you call it is a terrible outcome, lots of important people escaped and sighed relief. We don't know what Epstein would have divulged and now we will never know that.