> And do you really think we have discovered the "axioms of the universe" already? That is quite haughty. No we don't have those. That is also haughty. It is

> And do you really think we have discovered the "axioms of the universe" already? That is quite haughty. No we don't have those. That is also haughty. It is possible--probable, even--that our current models of physics are incorrect. We should certainly continue to probe them and look for something better. I would bet money that before my lifetime is out, some part of QM or relativity are overturned just like newtonian physics. However, you cannot just assume that that is the case. It is no certainty. We do not have certainty. The universe is sticky; it very well may be that we can never reduce it to something as simple as rule 30. It may be that our current theorems are axiomatic--at least, as far as the universe can be said to have axioms. (Or, as I think is more likely in the universe where we never discover any more physics, the difference between our laws and 'truth' is smaller than is possible to detect. That is, any instrument we use to measure will inherently produce too much noise to produce a statistically significantly different result.)