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You'd like to recognize a rapist for their charitable givings? edit: This was a poor comment. I shouldn't have phrased my point in such a crass way when I do n
by bradly 7y ago
You'd like to recognize a rapist for their charitable givings?
edit: This was a poor comment. I shouldn't have phrased my point in such a crass way when I do not actually believe rowanG077 thinks what I wrote above. Sorry for my tone, rowanG077. It wasn't helpful to the conversation.
- rowanG077 7y agoDepends on what you mean by recognize. I certainly don't think we should hide it. I also don't think we should "forget" the person is a rapist. But the main point I am making is that we shouldn't stop the rapist from making charitable givings. Nor should we punish institutions for taking that money.
- bradly 7y agoMany people believe the charitable givings were what gave Epstein his credibility, allowing him to continue what he was doing. Accepting the donations was enabling Epstein.
- rowanG077 7y agoIs there actual proof of the government knowing about Epsteins actions and looking the other way because of his donations? I find that really hard to believe...
- bradly 7y agoI do not know about the U.S. government, but at M.I.T. he had been already been banned from charitable giving, so Joichi was having to lie about the source of the money.
- rowanG077 7y agoYes and that is indeed a problem. Joichi was willfully going behind M.I.T.s back to get those donations. And that should be a reason to fire Joichi. However that is completely separate from believing that blacklist to be valid. I don't think such a blacklist should exist at all. But it's not the call of the researcher itself to bypass it. That has nothing to do with your original point which said that his donations allowed him to work as a sex trafficker.
- marcinzm 7y agoWhere is the line? If you stole something at 16 does that mean you're to be shunned from society forever? Is the line rape? Is it murder? Sexual assault? Being a nazi? Being a conservative? Being a liberal? Associating with someone in the shunned group? And what aren't we allowed to do with these people? Accept their money? Talk to them? Have dinner with them? Be in the same room as them? Same building? Be friends with friends of theirs?
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- tomjakubowski 7y agoYou can begin to talk about rehabilitating abhorrent people only after they've demonstrated some contrition for their actions and growth towards being better. By all accounts, Epstein showed none of that.
- marcinzm 7y agoThe comment I responded to did not mention Epstein in any way or form.
- loeg 7y agoThis is an article about Epstein, in a thread about Epstein, with a side-diversion to the Sackler family. In that context, bradly's question: > You'd like to recognize a rapist for their charitable givings? Is clearly referencing Epstein and returning the thread to discussion of Epstein instead of the Sackler family.
- prepend 7y agoHow am I equipped to know if someone has been rehabilitated? Do you also want evildoers to be contrite and fund a PR campaign so you are aware of and approve their acts of contrition? I struggle with this because I think I want someone I can never have. I require an omniscient AGI just to figure out if people are sorry or not. I’m not sure how many museums you have to found to make up for opioid deaths or child sex trafficking. Fortunately, I don’t think I’ll ever be qualified or required to make these kinds of decisions.