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> abstinence approach Smoking is not sex, don't be a fool. > You don't know what you're talking about. I actually do. > So you "don't know" if something kno

> abstinence approach Smoking is not sex, don't be a fool. > You don't know what you're talking about. I actually do. > So you "don't know" if something known to cause cancer and respiratory disease is worse than something not known to cause any disease? That's correct. And neither do you, because the history isn't there. Now, please go back and look at the history of cigarette smoking in the US if you want to continue this discussion further on an equal footing.

thatoneuser 7y ago
You're being alarmist without any actual data to support your view.
Fnoord 7y ago
> I actually do. You, and millions of others who have managed to quit smoking. I'm one of them. Don't hate the user/addict though; hate the industry who use shady marketing to influence young people (children) to start smoking, who influence our MPs with shady lies and trickery. They are the servants of death.
- inimino 7y ago
  Respect.
EpicEng 7y ago
>Smoking is not sex, don't be a fool. ab·sti·nence noun the fact or practice of restraining oneself from indulging in something, typically alcohol. >That's correct. And neither do you, because the history isn't there. No, it's not correct. We don't prove things safe, we attempt to show, with reasonable certainty, that something is not harmful. Those are not equivalent. We have no reason to believe that vaping is dangerous. That's not a statement that it is safe, but to equate it to cigarettes is asinine. >Now, please go back and look at the history of cigarette smoking in the US if you want to continue this discussion further on an equal footing. Judging from your tone and opinions I don't think we'll ever be "on equal footing". This subject seems to draw out the most pompous, ignorant people.
- inimino 7y ago
  OK, thanks for the definition. Now, to restate my point: The abstinence approach works for those who choose to improve their health by not smoking. If you don't make that choice, fine. But it's irresponsible to suggest that vaping is a safer alternative to smoking when we simply do not and cannot know that to be the case. The jury will continue to be out until vaping has a long enough history for the long-term effects to become clear. So again: call me in 50 years. If I had to gamble and pick which of the two is less unhealthy? I wouldn't gamble. Nobody is being forced to make that choice.
  - EpicEng 7y ago
    >But it's irresponsible to suggest that vaping is a safer alternative to smoking when we simply do not and cannot know that to be the case. Ok. I also argue that laptops are potentially as dangerous as smoking. Call me in 20 years and I'll let you know how it turned out.
    - inimino 7y ago
      Great! I'm curious what you think the mechanism is, since laptops aren't a mechanism for inhaling addictive chemicals into your lungs, but hey, you might be right! Wanna make a bet?
      - EpicEng 7y ago
        Good, we're getting closer now; objective evidence should be the only thing that matters here, not unfounded fear.
        inimino 7y ago
        There's nothing unfounded about extreme caution with a new, addictive product that has not existed long enough for the effects on human health to be known.

thatoneuser 7y ago

You're being alarmist without any actual data to support your view.

Fnoord 7y ago

> I actually do. You, and millions of others who have managed to quit smoking. I'm one of them. Don't hate the user/addict though; hate the industry who use shady marketing to influence young people (children) to start smoking, who influence our MPs with shady lies and trickery. They are the servants of death.

inimino 7y ago
Respect.

EpicEng 7y ago

>Smoking is not sex, don't be a fool. ab·sti·nence noun the fact or practice of restraining oneself from indulging in something, typically alcohol. >That's correct. And neither do you, because the history isn't there. No, it's not correct. We don't prove things safe, we attempt to show, with reasonable certainty, that something is not harmful. Those are not equivalent. We have no reason to believe that vaping is dangerous. That's not a statement that it is safe, but to equate it to cigarettes is asinine. >Now, please go back and look at the history of cigarette smoking in the US if you want to continue this discussion further on an equal footing. Judging from your tone and opinions I don't think we'll ever be "on equal footing". This subject seems to draw out the most pompous, ignorant people.

inimino 7y ago
OK, thanks for the definition. Now, to restate my point: The abstinence approach works for those who choose to improve their health by not smoking. If you don't make that choice, fine. But it's irresponsible to suggest that vaping is a safer alternative to smoking when we simply do not and cannot know that to be the case. The jury will continue to be out until vaping has a long enough history for the long-term effects to become clear. So again: call me in 50 years. If I had to gamble and pick which of the two is less unhealthy? I wouldn't gamble. Nobody is being forced to make that choice.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  >But it's irresponsible to suggest that vaping is a safer alternative to smoking when we simply do not and cannot know that to be the case. Ok. I also argue that laptops are potentially as dangerous as smoking. Call me in 20 years and I'll let you know how it turned out.
  - inimino 7y ago
    Great! I'm curious what you think the mechanism is, since laptops aren't a mechanism for inhaling addictive chemicals into your lungs, but hey, you might be right! Wanna make a bet?
    - EpicEng 7y ago
      Good, we're getting closer now; objective evidence should be the only thing that matters here, not unfounded fear.
      - inimino 7y ago
        There's nothing unfounded about extreme caution with a new, addictive product that has not existed long enough for the effects on human health to be known.