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The alternative for most is cigarettes. Do you really believe that vaping is worse than that? Are you going to wait another 30 years before picking up a cell ph

The alternative for most is cigarettes. Do you really believe that vaping is worse than that? Are you going to wait another 30 years before picking up a cell phone? What about GMO's? New medicines? Waiting to prove a negative is a silly stance when you know the alternative will kill you and severely lower your quality of life until that day comes.

inimino 7y ago
The alternative is quitting. Only a lack of willpower and predatory marketing lets anyone fool themselves into thinking otherwise. Cigarettes used to be advertised as healthy, too. I believe cell phones may have negative health effects that we have not yet discovered. They offer considerable convenience and that's worth it for me, but I know people who don't use them for that reason. I'm skeptical about GMOs in general as they have potentially unknown environmental risks that we are poorly equipped to reverse or undo once we discover them. New medicines obviously must be weighed against the disease they treat and the existing standard of care. Waiting is exactly the wise choice, and acting like the alternative is cigarettes is nonsense when there's a perfectly available, free, harmless alternative that works for billions of people all over the world and has done for all time, which is simply not smoking. As for your actual question, whether vaping is worse than cigarettes, I don't know and wouldn't guess, but I wouldn't quit smoking to take up vaping.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  Yes, the old abstinence approach. That one always works well. You don't know what you're talking about. >As for your actual question, whether vaping is worse than cigarettes, I don't know and wouldn't guess, but I wouldn't quit smoking to take up vaping. So you "don't know" if something known to cause cancer and respiratory disease is worse than something not known to cause any disease? And you see some amount of logic in this belief?
  - inimino 7y ago
    > abstinence approach Smoking is not sex, don't be a fool. > You don't know what you're talking about. I actually do. > So you "don't know" if something known to cause cancer and respiratory disease is worse than something not known to cause any disease? That's correct. And neither do you, because the history isn't there. Now, please go back and look at the history of cigarette smoking in the US if you want to continue this discussion further on an equal footing.
    - thatoneuser 7y ago
      You're being alarmist without any actual data to support your view.
    - Fnoord 7y ago
      > I actually do. You, and millions of others who have managed to quit smoking. I'm one of them. Don't hate the user/addict though; hate the industry who use shady marketing to influence young people (children) to start smoking, who influence our MPs with shady lies and trickery. They are the servants of death.
      - inimino 7y ago
        Respect.
    - EpicEng 7y ago
      >Smoking is not sex, don't be a fool. ab·sti·nence noun the fact or practice of restraining oneself from indulging in something, typically alcohol. >That's correct. And neither do you, because the history isn't there. No, it's not correct. We don't prove things safe, we attempt to show, with reasonable certainty, that something is not harmful. Those are not equivalent. We have no reason to believe that vaping is dangerous. That's not a statement that it is safe, but to equate it to cigarettes is asinine. >Now, please go back and look at the history of cigarette smoking in the US if you want to continue this discussion further on an equal footing. Judging from your tone and opinions I don't think we'll ever be "on equal footing". This subject seems to draw out the most pompous, ignorant people.

inimino 7y ago

The alternative is quitting. Only a lack of willpower and predatory marketing lets anyone fool themselves into thinking otherwise. Cigarettes used to be advertised as healthy, too. I believe cell phones may have negative health effects that we have not yet discovered. They offer considerable convenience and that's worth it for me, but I know people who don't use them for that reason. I'm skeptical about GMOs in general as they have potentially unknown environmental risks that we are poorly equipped to reverse or undo once we discover them. New medicines obviously must be weighed against the disease they treat and the existing standard of care. Waiting is exactly the wise choice, and acting like the alternative is cigarettes is nonsense when there's a perfectly available, free, harmless alternative that works for billions of people all over the world and has done for all time, which is simply not smoking. As for your actual question, whether vaping is worse than cigarettes, I don't know and wouldn't guess, but I wouldn't quit smoking to take up vaping.

EpicEng 7y ago
Yes, the old abstinence approach. That one always works well. You don't know what you're talking about. >As for your actual question, whether vaping is worse than cigarettes, I don't know and wouldn't guess, but I wouldn't quit smoking to take up vaping. So you "don't know" if something known to cause cancer and respiratory disease is worse than something not known to cause any disease? And you see some amount of logic in this belief?
- inimino 7y ago
  > abstinence approach Smoking is not sex, don't be a fool. > You don't know what you're talking about. I actually do. > So you "don't know" if something known to cause cancer and respiratory disease is worse than something not known to cause any disease? That's correct. And neither do you, because the history isn't there. Now, please go back and look at the history of cigarette smoking in the US if you want to continue this discussion further on an equal footing.
  - thatoneuser 7y ago
    You're being alarmist without any actual data to support your view.
  - Fnoord 7y ago
    > I actually do. You, and millions of others who have managed to quit smoking. I'm one of them. Don't hate the user/addict though; hate the industry who use shady marketing to influence young people (children) to start smoking, who influence our MPs with shady lies and trickery. They are the servants of death.
    - inimino 7y ago
      Respect.
  - EpicEng 7y ago
    >Smoking is not sex, don't be a fool. ab·sti·nence noun the fact or practice of restraining oneself from indulging in something, typically alcohol. >That's correct. And neither do you, because the history isn't there. No, it's not correct. We don't prove things safe, we attempt to show, with reasonable certainty, that something is not harmful. Those are not equivalent. We have no reason to believe that vaping is dangerous. That's not a statement that it is safe, but to equate it to cigarettes is asinine. >Now, please go back and look at the history of cigarette smoking in the US if you want to continue this discussion further on an equal footing. Judging from your tone and opinions I don't think we'll ever be "on equal footing". This subject seems to draw out the most pompous, ignorant people.