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> The recommendations suck, the lists suck — it’s like, 100 lists telling me to read The Handmaid’s Tale and Harry Potter. I had the same experience with GR an
by qrv3w 7y ago
> The recommendations suck, the lists suck — it’s like, 100 lists telling me to read The Handmaid’s Tale and Harry Potter.
I had the same experience with GR and also Amazon.com which constantly peddles the vampire romance books when I am looking for recommendations for horror/fantasy. Both Amazon and GR strategy make sense because best-selling books sell the best, so they should recommend them to increase profits. However, it does suck being a reader looking for new book suggestions.
I've spent a good deal of time making my own book recommendation algorithm which has been working well for me for the last two years. [1] Through it I've discovered old authors I didn't know (Ted Chiang, Clive Barker) and new authors which I wouldn't have noticed (Scott Hawkins, China Mieville). Of course, it always helps to get recommendations from friends with similar tastes, too. :)
[1]: https://nowwhatdoiread.com https://nowwhatdoiread.com
- llimllib 7y agoSuggestion: enable a website preview! https://medium.com/slack-developer-blog/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-unfurling-but-were-afraid-to-ask-or-how-to-make-your-e64b4bb9254 https://medium.com/slack-developer-blog/everything-you-ever-... I shared your link in a chat, but it doesn't show itself off: https://i.imgur.com/r5hTqwG.png https://i.imgur.com/r5hTqwG.png (Got good suggestions from the first book I put in, thanks!)
- archi42 7y agoNeat. Just a small note: On the "Best Of" page, the year selection is too narrow for my system (Chrome on Windows 10, WQHD). The two boxes only contains "20 " (twenty and some empty space); clicking/hovering one reveals those "up/down numerical selector arrows". You probably want to make them a little bit wider?
- qrv3w 7y agoYep, thanks!
- inapis 7y agoI face this problem with Netflix, Spotify and Youtube too. These algorithmic recommendations just need one improper dataset to throw everything out of the window. For weeks, my spotify is overloaded with instrumental songs. Youtube keeps on repeating the same stuff. Netflix believes that the only thing I watch is science fiction. I'm dying for human curation.
- rhizome 7y agoYou also have to account for payola.
- xbkingx 7y agoWhich is why the author of the article didn't find the upcoming release for the book she searched. Searching for a book we can't make money on? Pffft GTFO.
- icebraining 7y agoCriticker is automated, and I find its recommendations amazing. (Not affiliated, just a happy user)
- nefitty 7y agoCriticker has never failed me. I've been using it for years. I did hop over for a few years to a site called Jinni with really high quality UI. They closed their consumer facing services and provide their service to content providers. Criticker is still there crushing the game.
- chewxy 7y agoThat's because the recommendation systems are optimizing for the wrong things: typically dwell time. You are highly likely to dwell longer on scifi, so heres more scifi for you! Older recommendation systems use background and foreground timeframes to build frames of references, hence repeats. The question to ask then is: what is the correct thing to optimize for? Dwell time is usually chosen for advertising and stickiness (you are more likely to stick with a service that plays what you like). Optimizing for novelty is difficult because the set of unknown things is much larger than the set of known things. Plus, it is risky from a business point of view.
- Shoop 7y agoLooks like you've got a small typo on your about page: > Even though there is an AI behind this website, recommendations should like they are hand-picked and hand-written. Missing the word "feel"
- qrv3w 7y agoThanks for catching that.
- atombender 7y agoThanks for making this! I tried a bunch of searches and the recommendations are surprisingly good. A couple of points. All my searches selected an (in my opinion) less prominent result as the top hit and I had to click the "see other results". The searches I remember doing were "Blood Meridian" (should show Cormac McCarthy as top hit and "Waiting for the Barbarians" (J. M. Coetzee). Secondly, I'm not sure if it's sensible to show books by the same author, at least nowhere near the top. Lastly, while I like the UI and the idea of a handwriting-type font, I find the current font a bit illegible. It's readable, but doesn't skim well. Will definitely be using this in the future!
- qrv3w 7y agoThanks! I appreciate your points.
- Flow 7y ago> I find the current font a bit illegible It takes a lot of effort to read it. I'd say that for me it's 80% unreadable. Please, at least make a button on the site to select another font if a user feels like I do.
- CannisterFlux 7y agoI turned off web fonts in Firefox settings to be able to read the site easier. The recommendations seem pretty good though, so it is worth a bit of "suffering".
- aphextron 7y agoVery cool. Two criticisms though; the font is obnoxious, and you could use an autocomplete.
- karabesque 7y agothe font is actually perfect and fits the theme of the site well, while still being easily readable. what makes it obnoxious, other than it not being some variation on fira mono or whatever?
- dgellow 7y agoIMHO it’s not readable, though you disagree on this point.
- Noumenon72 7y agoIt must be somewhat hard to read, because no one has yet noticed the missing word on the front page ("get a list of suggested books to read"). But I like it.
- qrv3w 7y agoHaha, missed that. Thanks!
- ivalm 7y agoSearched "The Glass Beads Game" got "did you mean The Everything Classical Mythology Book: Greek and Roman Gods, Goddesses, Heroes, and Monsters from Ares to Zeus by Lesley Bolton" couldnt find Hesse in additional results. Searched Inferno, could not find Dante. Kind of strange that this site misses some super important classics (well 2 of like 5 searches I tried)
- qrv3w 7y agoWhat exactly did you search? It worked when I typed that in. [1] Edit: I see you wrote beads. I have to improve the fuzzy search. Thanks! [1]: https://nowwhatdoiread.com/?q=The+glass+bead+game https://nowwhatdoiread.com/?q=The+glass+bead+game
- ivalm 7y agoYou're right, I misspelled the title! Still, an errant s should not foil the search!
- qrv3w 7y agoAgreed. Its fixed now [1] as I added in another fuzzy search. (I was using fzf which missed some small things and I've now added Levenshtein as well to compensate). [1] https://nowwhatdoiread.com/?q=The+Glass+Beads+Game https://nowwhatdoiread.com/?q=The+Glass+Beads+Game
- ivalm 7y agoGreat! Looking through the suggestions I actually really like them, good job!
- dageshi 7y agoReddit scifi/fantasy subs are pretty good for recommendations.
- samcodes 7y agoI think most recommendation algorithms rely too much on collaborative filtering and not enough on content based filtering.
- romack77 7y agoI agree. Collaborative filtering should succeed when you have sufficient of data, but we don't always have sufficient data. I think books are a tough challenge: the number of books is relatively large (vs. e.g. the number of restaurants on Yelp), the number of books people read is relatively small (vs. e.g. how many things they buy). Plus, people's tastes in them are relatively particular, and they're a big time commitment, so the bar for what counts as a "good" recommendation is high. I think in these cases you can do better by bringing in some content-based filtering. I made an experimental book recommender using only story trope tags and I thought the results were already better than what I was getting elsewhere. It's still up at https://bookslikethis.herokuapp.com/ https://bookslikethis.herokuapp.com/ (but it basically only has sci-fi/fantasy titles).
- mixedmath 7y agoI don't usually have an immediate positive reaction to a site, but I immediately liked yours. It's fast and simple. There is no javascript. The recommendations are reasonable. Would you mind describing a bit of your algorithm, or is that secret info?
- bjelkeman-again 7y agoPretty impressive. Tried it on my own favourites and those of my wife (very different book taste). Good work. Thanks!
- prepend 7y agoI applaud you for putting a site together, and I like the design look, but when I clicked on the best list of fiction from 1900-2019 Harry Potter showed up in five versions at the top of the list. This is a hard problem because popular != good. But I would like to see data on whether recommending popular books works best. I’m sure amazon and goodreads have this data, but they are horrible at recommending.
- ravar 7y agoI am really impressed how well this site works without javascript. This is refreshing compared to all the sites that display nothing with noscript.
- jamespetercook 7y agoThe design of your website blew me away. It’s brilliant.
- corobo 7y agoAwesome! Indeed feels like a better selection of recommendations The only tweak I’d make? Link to UK (etc, but UK for me) Amazon too! Mainly because I’m lazy but also you could then set up a UK affiliate tag. I buy a lot of books, get your slice!
- JHer 7y agoEntering "1984" yields "books similar to 1984 by Michael Dean". Entering "Nineteen Eighty-Four" gives me "Book picks similar to Nineteen Eighty-Four by Matthew Dunster". When I search for "Nineteen Eighty-Four: A Novel", the site responds with "Book picks similar to Beer in the Snooker Club by Waguih Ghali". I'm sure Dean, Dunster, and Ghali are terrific writers but what happened to George Orwell?
- cptnapalm 7y agoMemory holed. 1984 has always been by Michael Dean.
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago"1984 orwell" finds it. Just "1984" looks like it's finding a translation or something - the cover picture clearly shows George Orwell. Maybe Dean is the translator? Still a bit odd.
- Izkata 7y agoSub-header clicking into it says: > by Michael Dean (Adaptation), Andy Hopkins (Editor), Jocelyn Potter (Editor) Also in tiny text below the description: > Paperback, 71 pages ...that seems really short. Not sure this is the full novel.
- disordiary 7y agoWhere do you source the books and genres from? Is there a way for me to modify them as a user to make it more granular?
- lsc 7y agoAs far as I can tell, all recommendations lists fail compared to freely-available experts. Like, if you like literary fiction, go through the Pulitzer prize for fiction, and just read. (I'm not even half way through that list, but everything I've read on it has been really, really good.) - there's all sorts of awards for smaller niches... the nebula, the Hugo, etc... (Actually, that's a question. What is the award for the romance genre?) I... personally don't understand why people even try to automate making better recommendation engines when highly skilled and respected experts are already doing it for just about any niche, and releasing the results for free.
- elorant 7y agoBecause we don't always like awarded books. I read "The Three Body Problem" a couple of years ago which had won a Nebula award and found it to be mediocre at best and much overhyped. Last year I read the "Neuromancer" which had won both a Nebula and a Hugo and was for me one of the worst SF books I've ever read. And then there are books which are brilliant, but have never won an award, like "The Martian".
- ses1984 7y agoYou didn't like neuromancer...?
- jknoepfler 7y agoI had a very hard time finding things to like in Neuromancer. It was a long time ago, but iirc the prose is pretty clunky, the characters are made of cardboard, and the plot has all the depth of a Ridley Scott movie. The world building was on point, but there's only so much 80's zeitgeist ("everything is awful, you'll be replaced piecemeal by machines, faceless megacorps rule over vast slums of pleasure junkies bathed in acid rain") that a person can channel with a straight face. Like I love me some weird dystopian cyberpunk universes, but I want that to be the starting point, not the ending point. (Conversely, by way of making a positive contrast with something in a similar genre that , I really enjoyed A Scanner Darkly by Philip K. Dick). To be totally clear, I think Neuromancer is probably a thoroughly enjoyable read and I'd recommend it to someone looking for what it is without hesitation. It's just pretty easy to take umbrage with.
- jillesvangurp 7y agoI'm really liking the recommendations on your website. I found a few good recommendations already. And like you I really struggle with finding those via the usual channels. But, that font is just awful .... :-). You do have a bit of a Harry Potter infestation on your best fiction list. It appears multiple times there. Same with game of thrones related stuff. Out of curiousity, where do you source your data from?
- pugio 7y agoI've been looking for something exactly like your site for some time. Great job, and great design! Note: You have a typo on your About page – "Amazon Convservation Association" (extra "v").
- CodeTheInternet 7y agoThe Kindle ads are worse. I don't mind at all opening up my Kindle and seeing a book recommendation ... if its at LEAST in the genres I read. You would think Amazon would be on top of it.
- rsaarelm 7y ago> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20904549 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20904549 Recommendations seem good for what I checked. One bit of weirdness though, searching for Gödel, Escher, Bach [1] gets me a book by "Agnes F. Vandome", that on googling is some sort of fake book of compiled wikipedia articles, and I need to click on the alternatives to find Hofstadter's book. So it looks like the search system can be successfully spammed with fake titles for reasonably notable books. [1]: https://nowwhatdoiread.com/?q=gödel%2C+escher%2C+bach https://nowwhatdoiread.com/?q=gödel%2C+escher%2C+bach
- gordon_freeman 7y agoyour site is useful and has good recommendations. Thanks for the link. I tried looking at books with "Writing" category and some of the recommendations like "On Writing by Stephen King" are really good and what I would expect. Though I feel that you should work on your priority of order when showing recommended books. For example: when I search for books similar to "The Handmaid's Tale", I don't expect to see "Cat's eye" as a top recommendation. Something to improve upon further.
- akbarnama 7y agoThanks! I got some exciting suggestions when I tried for "The Unknown Errors of Our Lives"; especially "Though I Get Home".
- ryloric 7y agoI like the recommendations it spits out, but what's up with the font. I'm curious.
- Faaak 7y agoHow can you recommend books based on only one observation ? Wouldn't it make more sense to ask many books the user liked in order to make a better "user hyperplane" ?
- atombender 7y agoBy the way, can I ask how you calculate the recommendations? Your explanation on the site is that it just uses the genre, but that cannot possibly be the whole answer?