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I'm guessing it varies a lot by school. I went to a top engineering school as an undergrad and cheating was rampant - probably something like 1/3 of the gradua

I'm guessing it varies a lot by school. I went to a top engineering school as an undergrad and cheating was rampant - probably something like 1/3 of the graduating class participated in cheating to some extent. I then went to another top engineering school as a graduate student and I never saw anyone cheat.

SeanBoocock 7y ago
Yeah I think so. I was shocked to discover that over a 1/3rd of the computer science classes I TA'd as a grad student were cheating, repeatedly, on homework assignments and tests. I had come from a culture as an undergrad (and graduate student at another university) where cheating even once was a potential expellable offense. At the very least you would fail the class. In the comp sci classes I TA'd the professor would fail the students for the assignments but no more, even after multiple offenses.
- 6thaccount2 7y ago
  Interesting. At my university it was most certainly fail the course and possibly expulsion.
  - Spooky23 7y ago
    At my school it was seen as a political issue. If you got stuck in a section that was dominated by a particular group of students, you were screwed because the class had a hard curve and the group openly and blatantly cheated. We had a faculty mentor from a different department sit in and witness what happened in an midterm, and escalated it to the administration, who made an accommodation for us.
  - tnecniv 7y ago
    I think this varies a lot by professor. Typically failing a student involves a lot of extra paperwork on the professor's part. Doubly so if it's for academic dishonesty.
- mannykannot 7y ago
  Perhaps the differences could be explained by differences in how the institutions ranked their teaching staff?
landryraccoon 7y ago
Cheating in engineering is pointless. At every tech company I’ve interviewed at (on either side of the table) as soon as you get into the interview what school you went to and what grades you got don’t matter. If you can’t whiteboard some technical problems you aren’t getting in.
- MegaButts 7y ago
  I know people that cheated, were utterly incompetent, and got prestigious jobs at tech firms.
  - landryraccoon 7y ago
    As engineers? Like, actual individual contributions and not managers? Doing what?
    - MegaButts 7y ago
      Yes, as engineers.
      - landryraccoon 7y ago
        That company sucks then. It might be hard to measure between competent engineers but bad engineers stick out like a sore thumb. If that keeps happening it means the entire engineering department sucks at those companies.
        MegaButts 7y ago
        When I say prestigious jobs, I don't mean random companies you've never heard of - these include companies well known for their engineering excellence. I don't know how their careers advanced, so maybe they quickly found themselves looking for work elsewhere. No hiring process is perfect. We've all had to deal with less-than-excellent coworkers.
    - TrackerFF 7y ago

SeanBoocock 7y ago

Yeah I think so. I was shocked to discover that over a 1/3rd of the computer science classes I TA'd as a grad student were cheating, repeatedly, on homework assignments and tests. I had come from a culture as an undergrad (and graduate student at another university) where cheating even once was a potential expellable offense. At the very least you would fail the class. In the comp sci classes I TA'd the professor would fail the students for the assignments but no more, even after multiple offenses.

6thaccount2 7y ago
Interesting. At my university it was most certainly fail the course and possibly expulsion.
- Spooky23 7y ago
  At my school it was seen as a political issue. If you got stuck in a section that was dominated by a particular group of students, you were screwed because the class had a hard curve and the group openly and blatantly cheated. We had a faculty mentor from a different department sit in and witness what happened in an midterm, and escalated it to the administration, who made an accommodation for us.
- tnecniv 7y ago
  I think this varies a lot by professor. Typically failing a student involves a lot of extra paperwork on the professor's part. Doubly so if it's for academic dishonesty.
mannykannot 7y ago
Perhaps the differences could be explained by differences in how the institutions ranked their teaching staff?

landryraccoon 7y ago

Cheating in engineering is pointless. At every tech company I’ve interviewed at (on either side of the table) as soon as you get into the interview what school you went to and what grades you got don’t matter. If you can’t whiteboard some technical problems you aren’t getting in.

MegaButts 7y ago
I know people that cheated, were utterly incompetent, and got prestigious jobs at tech firms.
- landryraccoon 7y ago
  As engineers? Like, actual individual contributions and not managers? Doing what?
  - MegaButts 7y ago
    Yes, as engineers.
    - landryraccoon 7y ago
      That company sucks then. It might be hard to measure between competent engineers but bad engineers stick out like a sore thumb. If that keeps happening it means the entire engineering department sucks at those companies.
      - MegaButts 7y ago
        When I say prestigious jobs, I don't mean random companies you've never heard of - these include companies well known for their engineering excellence. I don't know how their careers advanced, so maybe they quickly found themselves looking for work elsewhere. No hiring process is perfect. We've all had to deal with less-than-excellent coworkers.
  - TrackerFF 7y ago