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Everything with including HTML in this report does indeed seem weird. Especially since they group HTML together with CSS and has the following as the definition

Everything with including HTML in this report does indeed seem weird. Especially since they group HTML together with CSS and has the following as the definition of the two: > HTML is a specialized language for describing the appearance and content of web pages, often extended using CSS Hard to take the rest of the report seriously when they don't seem to know what they are talking about. Also, the title of the report should probably replace "Top" with "Most Popular" as they seem to go by usage, not necessarily the "best" language (which I would have thought with the usage of "top") Cuda and Lisp being listed as programming languages also further indicates the authors are missing something.

kragen 7y ago
Do you think it's bad to be weird? It's weird to tell the truth, too, or to keep your word. My complaint about the report is not that it's a weird report; on the contrary, its profoundly poor scholarship is depressingly typical of discussions on the topic. (If you think it's bad to be weird, what are you doing on Hacker News?) The description of HTML you quote seems fairly correct. Lisp is definitely a programming language (though, like most, it has a variety of dialects with varying degrees of compatibility). CUDA is more debatable; to me it seems like a different programming language, but CUDA programmers tell me it's just C (or C++). But until 2010, it didn't even support recursion, which seems to me like a pretty basic feature of C. Maybe in 2019 the position that CUDA is a separate language is less reasonable than it was in 2009.
- capableweb 7y ago
  I was using "weird" here as in if they are trying to stay factual, that seems like the wrong way to go about it. A discussion about if I/you think "being weird" is bad does not belong here. As far as I know, HTML is not extended by CSS but rather complemented by it. HTML for structure and CSS for styling. Also as far as I know, Lisp is a family of languages, usually Common Lisp, Emacs Lisp, Clojure, Racket, Arc and others. Lisp (the language, not the family) died out and was replaced by others, so saying Lisp nowadays would refer to the family, not the language(s) (LISP 1 & 2)
  - kragen 7y ago
    You seem to be using "weird" as a synonym for "wrong"; that's what I was objecting to. That kind of aggressive conformism seems entirely out of place† to me on a discussion forum for hackers, who are in their essence not conformist. You might want to think about conforming to the nonconformism ;) † "Out of place" is a fairly precise synonym for "weird".
    - a1369209993 7y ago
      How about: > Everything with including HTML in this report does indeed seem [out of place in a report that is trying to stay factual]. ?
      - kragen 7y ago
        I didn't mean it was a better synonym ;)

kragen 7y ago

Do you think it's bad to be weird? It's weird to tell the truth, too, or to keep your word. My complaint about the report is not that it's a weird report; on the contrary, its profoundly poor scholarship is depressingly typical of discussions on the topic. (If you think it's bad to be weird, what are you doing on Hacker News?) The description of HTML you quote seems fairly correct. Lisp is definitely a programming language (though, like most, it has a variety of dialects with varying degrees of compatibility). CUDA is more debatable; to me it seems like a different programming language, but CUDA programmers tell me it's just C (or C++). But until 2010, it didn't even support recursion, which seems to me like a pretty basic feature of C. Maybe in 2019 the position that CUDA is a separate language is less reasonable than it was in 2009.

capableweb 7y ago
I was using "weird" here as in if they are trying to stay factual, that seems like the wrong way to go about it. A discussion about if I/you think "being weird" is bad does not belong here. As far as I know, HTML is not extended by CSS but rather complemented by it. HTML for structure and CSS for styling. Also as far as I know, Lisp is a family of languages, usually Common Lisp, Emacs Lisp, Clojure, Racket, Arc and others. Lisp (the language, not the family) died out and was replaced by others, so saying Lisp nowadays would refer to the family, not the language(s) (LISP 1 & 2)
- kragen 7y ago
  You seem to be using "weird" as a synonym for "wrong"; that's what I was objecting to. That kind of aggressive conformism seems entirely out of place† to me on a discussion forum for hackers, who are in their essence not conformist. You might want to think about conforming to the nonconformism ;) † "Out of place" is a fairly precise synonym for "weird".
  - a1369209993 7y ago
    How about: > Everything with including HTML in this report does indeed seem [out of place in a report that is trying to stay factual]. ?
    - kragen 7y ago
      I didn't mean it was a better synonym ;)