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> and, if we're realistic, it might never go anywhere... I don’t see why this should be the case, unless we as a community decides it will not go anywhere.

by Jenz 7y ago

coldtea 7y ago
Most languages never get anywhere. Languages of the quality of Smalltalk, and Ada, and Dylan, and Self, and CL have vanquished in the margins, and e.g. even something as celebrated as Haskell does hardly better in the industry (some financial companies, this or that project, and so on), so the chances of a new language like Crystal are slim to begin with...
- Jenz 7y ago
  Oh yes, been there, done that, created proglangs, and they certainly did not get anywhere. But I feel Crystal has already gained such momentum that it indeed will get somewhere, it’s beyond that phase "to begin with." After all, if any language can get anywhere, why not Crystal?
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >But I feel Crystal has already gained such momentum that it indeed will get somewhere, it’s beyond that phase "to begin with." Let's hope so, but I fear that's wishful thinking. What proof do we have of that? It's not used anywhere important ("killer app"), barely makes the rest of the TIOBE index, along with staples like NATURAL, Alice, BBC Basic, Euphoria, Factor, Forth, and Icon, and has no major force like Google or Mozilla backing it. It's only us here in HN who keep hearing about it. Julia has had tons more publicity (even from some major outlets), and it's still going nowhere fast.
    - Jenz 7y ago
      > It's only us here in HN who keep hearing about it. Don't you think us here at HN include quite a number of people standing centrally when it comes to "anywhere" in the tech industry? This is what I mean, when talking about "us as a community." Of course this does not go for everyone... but for a considerable amount, I'd say. (Myself am certainly not one of them.) > Julia has had tons more publicity (even from some major outlets), and it's still going nowhere fast. Well, Julia being made for extensive numerical computations and the like, I think it is doing very well, esp. in academical use, which is somewhere it's right at home. If not yet very much in use yet, at least many academics in relevant fields--which frankly are quite a lot days--have heard of the language. If Julia holds enough of its' promises, I don't see why they wouldn't migrate eventually, given time. I don't see how any lang could get anywhere "fast," no matter how superb it'd be, "anywhere" tends to be sceptical of change if they're fine with what they have.

> and, if we're realistic, it might never go anywhere... I don’t see why this should be the case, unless we as a community decides it will not go anywhere.

by Jenz 7y ago

> and, if we're realistic, it might never go anywhere... I don’t see why this should be the case, unless we as a community decides it will not go anywhere.

coldtea 7y ago

Most languages never get anywhere. Languages of the quality of Smalltalk, and Ada, and Dylan, and Self, and CL have vanquished in the margins, and e.g. even something as celebrated as Haskell does hardly better in the industry (some financial companies, this or that project, and so on), so the chances of a new language like Crystal are slim to begin with...

Jenz 7y ago
Oh yes, been there, done that, created proglangs, and they certainly did not get anywhere. But I feel Crystal has already gained such momentum that it indeed will get somewhere, it’s beyond that phase "to begin with." After all, if any language can get anywhere, why not Crystal?
- coldtea 7y ago
  >But I feel Crystal has already gained such momentum that it indeed will get somewhere, it’s beyond that phase "to begin with." Let's hope so, but I fear that's wishful thinking. What proof do we have of that? It's not used anywhere important ("killer app"), barely makes the rest of the TIOBE index, along with staples like NATURAL, Alice, BBC Basic, Euphoria, Factor, Forth, and Icon, and has no major force like Google or Mozilla backing it. It's only us here in HN who keep hearing about it. Julia has had tons more publicity (even from some major outlets), and it's still going nowhere fast.
  - Jenz 7y ago
    > It's only us here in HN who keep hearing about it. Don't you think us here at HN include quite a number of people standing centrally when it comes to "anywhere" in the tech industry? This is what I mean, when talking about "us as a community." Of course this does not go for everyone... but for a considerable amount, I'd say. (Myself am certainly not one of them.) > Julia has had tons more publicity (even from some major outlets), and it's still going nowhere fast. Well, Julia being made for extensive numerical computations and the like, I think it is doing very well, esp. in academical use, which is somewhere it's right at home. If not yet very much in use yet, at least many academics in relevant fields--which frankly are quite a lot days--have heard of the language. If Julia holds enough of its' promises, I don't see why they wouldn't migrate eventually, given time. I don't see how any lang could get anywhere "fast," no matter how superb it'd be, "anywhere" tends to be sceptical of change if they're fine with what they have.