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Can't wait to tell Gran she's legally liable for a DDoS because her unsecured IOT washing machine best buy sold her caused the internet to cave in ;)

ohazi 7y ago
Skip Gran and sue Best Buy and the IoT washing machine manufacturer.
- BetaDeltaAlpha 7y ago
  There are exactly zero big box retailers or lobbyists that will abide that.
  - yorwba 7y ago
    Big box retailers seem to be able to comply with regulations mandating physical safety. Digital security requirements could be enforced by a similar system.
    - RyanAF7 7y ago
      No thanks. I'd rather DDoS attcks than whatever the version of a seatbelt locking "safety" mechanism is that these moron companies would force upon people. "Place eyeball for retina scan to unlock your dick pic machine." No thanks.
    - majewsky 7y ago
      Because "physical safety regulations" is something that the majority understands, so it's hard to argue against that in public. With digital security, most people lack the mental models to follow the discussion, so it's really easy for lobbyists to tell them flatout lies about how those damn dems are out to take their smart lightbulbs away from them.
      - rhizome 7y ago
        Ha ha, "most people." They're so stupid, right?! Not like we, the ones who know what's really going on and how things actually work.
        pferde 7y ago
        Are you claiming that most people do understand computer security? My experience is that even many computer-savvy people (already a small fraction of overall population) are completely baffled by its intricacies.
        majewsky 7y ago
        I explicitly formulated very carefully that this is not an issue of "people are dumb", but an issue of lack of understanding. I wish I could downvote your strawman.
zajio1am 7y ago
Is liable? AFAIK strict liability only applies in specific cases, in general cases negligence applies. The claimant would have to prove that there was a breach of duty and a reasonable person would have done something to prevent the damage.

ohazi 7y ago

Skip Gran and sue Best Buy and the IoT washing machine manufacturer.

BetaDeltaAlpha 7y ago
There are exactly zero big box retailers or lobbyists that will abide that.
- yorwba 7y ago
  Big box retailers seem to be able to comply with regulations mandating physical safety. Digital security requirements could be enforced by a similar system.
  - RyanAF7 7y ago
    No thanks. I'd rather DDoS attcks than whatever the version of a seatbelt locking "safety" mechanism is that these moron companies would force upon people. "Place eyeball for retina scan to unlock your dick pic machine." No thanks.
  - majewsky 7y ago
    Because "physical safety regulations" is something that the majority understands, so it's hard to argue against that in public. With digital security, most people lack the mental models to follow the discussion, so it's really easy for lobbyists to tell them flatout lies about how those damn dems are out to take their smart lightbulbs away from them.
    - rhizome 7y ago
      Ha ha, "most people." They're so stupid, right?! Not like we, the ones who know what's really going on and how things actually work.
      - pferde 7y ago
        Are you claiming that most people do understand computer security? My experience is that even many computer-savvy people (already a small fraction of overall population) are completely baffled by its intricacies.
      - majewsky 7y ago
        I explicitly formulated very carefully that this is not an issue of "people are dumb", but an issue of lack of understanding. I wish I could downvote your strawman.

zajio1am 7y ago

Is liable? AFAIK strict liability only applies in specific cases, in general cases negligence applies. The claimant would have to prove that there was a breach of duty and a reasonable person would have done something to prevent the damage.