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This certainly looks bad for Ito, who apparently went to great lengths to conceal the relationship with a known abuser. We should expect better. But I think we

This certainly looks bad for Ito, who apparently went to great lengths to conceal the relationship with a known abuser. We should expect better. But I think we should take care not to transfer blame to everyone who ever ate dinner with Epstein, went to his house, or took his phone call. Especially someone like Bill Gates, who deserves the benefit of the doubt in my opinion. Once, I was on a frisbee team with a man who is now serving 4 consecutive lifetime sentences for child abuse. The great quandary of abusers is their ability to seem upstanding and normal. Epstein fooled a lot of people and it doesn’t mean they were complicit in or suspicious of his sins.

eugeniub 7y ago
You are comparing your experience with someone who you had no idea was an abuser until later, to someone who had an extensive relationship with a serial child rapist after this became very publicly known, and after he spent time in jail for it.[1] The details of the sex ring, the Lolita Express, the witness intimidation, even the shape of Epstein’s thing were extremely well known publicly in 2010, but Bill Gates didn’t care. [1]: https://twitter.com/jordanuhl/status/1170170356965007362?s=21 https://twitter.com/jordanuhl/status/1170170356965007362?s=2...
- CalChris 7y ago
  To be fair to Gates, he flatly denies having been directed by Epstein. From the article: A spokesperson for Gates said that “any claim that Epstein directed any programmatic or personal grantmaking for Bill Gates is completely false.” A source close to Gates said that the entrepreneur has a long-standing relationship with the lab, and that anonymous donations from him or his foundation are not atypical. Gates has previously denied receiving financial advisory services from Epstein; in August, CNBC reported that he he met with Epstein in New York in 2013, to discuss “ways to increase philanthropic spending.”
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tylermac1 7y ago
The contextual difference here is that many of these people are being criticized for working with Epstein well after his conviction. There's a big difference between pre and post conviction, even though it was somewhat of an "open secret" before he was even charged.
nullc 7y ago
Apparently the claim that Ito concealed things from MIT was simply false: https://president.mit.edu/speeches-writing/preliminary-fact-finding-about-mit-and-jeffrey-epstein https://president.mit.edu/speeches-writing/preliminary-fact-... the administration knew of, approved of, and directed keeping the donations anonymous. > Second, it is now clear that senior members of the administration were aware of gifts the Media Lab received between 2013 and 2017 from Jeffrey Epstein’s foundations. Goodwin Procter has found that in 2013, when members of my senior team learned that the Media Lab had received the first of the Epstein gifts, they reached out to speak with Joi Ito. He asked for permission to retain this initial gift, and members of my senior team allowed it. [...] Joi sought the gifts for general research purposes, such as supporting lab scientists and buying equipment. Because the members of my team involved believed it was important that Epstein not use gifts to MIT for publicity or to enhance his own reputation, they asked Joi to agree to make clear to Epstein that he could not put his name on them publicly. These guidelines were provided to and apparently followed by the Media Lab.

eugeniub 7y ago

You are comparing your experience with someone who you had no idea was an abuser until later, to someone who had an extensive relationship with a serial child rapist after this became very publicly known, and after he spent time in jail for it.[1] The details of the sex ring, the Lolita Express, the witness intimidation, even the shape of Epstein’s thing were extremely well known publicly in 2010, but Bill Gates didn’t care. [1]: https://twitter.com/jordanuhl/status/1170170356965007362?s=21 https://twitter.com/jordanuhl/status/1170170356965007362?s=2...

CalChris 7y ago
To be fair to Gates, he flatly denies having been directed by Epstein. From the article: A spokesperson for Gates said that “any claim that Epstein directed any programmatic or personal grantmaking for Bill Gates is completely false.” A source close to Gates said that the entrepreneur has a long-standing relationship with the lab, and that anonymous donations from him or his foundation are not atypical. Gates has previously denied receiving financial advisory services from Epstein; in August, CNBC reported that he he met with Epstein in New York in 2013, to discuss “ways to increase philanthropic spending.”
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tylermac1 7y ago

The contextual difference here is that many of these people are being criticized for working with Epstein well after his conviction. There's a big difference between pre and post conviction, even though it was somewhat of an "open secret" before he was even charged.

nullc 7y ago

Apparently the claim that Ito concealed things from MIT was simply false: https://president.mit.edu/speeches-writing/preliminary-fact-finding-about-mit-and-jeffrey-epstein https://president.mit.edu/speeches-writing/preliminary-fact-... the administration knew of, approved of, and directed keeping the donations anonymous. > Second, it is now clear that senior members of the administration were aware of gifts the Media Lab received between 2013 and 2017 from Jeffrey Epstein’s foundations. Goodwin Procter has found that in 2013, when members of my senior team learned that the Media Lab had received the first of the Epstein gifts, they reached out to speak with Joi Ito. He asked for permission to retain this initial gift, and members of my senior team allowed it. [...] Joi sought the gifts for general research purposes, such as supporting lab scientists and buying equipment. Because the members of my team involved believed it was important that Epstein not use gifts to MIT for publicity or to enhance his own reputation, they asked Joi to agree to make clear to Epstein that he could not put his name on them publicly. These guidelines were provided to and apparently followed by the Media Lab.