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Just like trying to set your local public library on fire. There are always crazies in the world.

keymone 7y ago
There’s lots of dirty politics on WP. Not sure about other countries, but Russian government is very involved in whitewashing it’s activities.
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  How interesting. Could you post some evidence? Thanks!
  - toxik 7y ago
    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, so by that symmetry this shouldn’t require much evidence.
    - d0mine 7y ago
      if something is repeated a lot, it doesn't make it true. Though it does make it more believable to common folk according to Goebbels https://www.azquotes.com/author/5626-Joseph_Goebbels https://www.azquotes.com/author/5626-Joseph_Goebbels
      - Kaiyou 7y ago
        Also, Napoleon. Repetition is really effective.
      - toxik 7y ago
        Russian fake news is widespread and easy to find. How can this be controversial, and even downvoted on HN of all places? Russian military shot down a plane full of politicians over Ukraine, and boldly lied about it in the international press. This is just one of literally hundreds of such instances. Russia has been caught numerous times trying to sway elections across the world. How on earth is “Russia whitewashes its name on wikipedia” needing substantiation? It seems obvious, even.
        keymone 7y ago
        plane full of civilians you mean? plane full of politicians crashed over russian territory in 2010.
  - keymone 7y ago
    Here you go: https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Википедия:К_оценке_источников#Некоторые_сайты,_связанные_с_РИА_ФАН https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Википедия:К_оценке_источнико... Edit: also https://www.the-village.ru/village/city/news-city/358231-spam-list https://www.the-village.ru/village/city/news-city/358231-spa...
- Chris_Chambers 7y ago
  Oh, look. It’s a redditor.
cycloptic 7y ago
You can't grow a non-profit that large without angering someone. There will always be folks who believe they are more deserving of the "free money."
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  Some people just like to break things. It's that simple.
  - cycloptic 7y ago
    That doesn't appear to be the case here. This was done for the attention, not just for the thrill of breaking things.
    - krispbyte 7y ago
      Probably proving their skills to potential clients.
mistrial9 7y ago
except, mental states are perhaps less stable than physical ones, ultimately, and using a 'web site' is largely a mental model on the part of the user, while a technical model on the part of the provider. Dysfunctional mental drivers + lots of access + lots of time .. versus a door that locks each night and an alert attendant or three.. This is dismaying but not shocking.. the first time I saw a newly planted tree on an otherwise bleak urban block, vandalized and broken, I realized that a drive towards "better" is not to be taken for granted, and needs protection.
- RyanAF7 7y ago
  Or maybe stop planting trees if your people are so ignored and powerless they feel the need to destroy it.
dleslie 7y ago
There was a string of arson attacks on little free libraries in Metro Vancouver; eventually a pair of teenage boys were arrested. I suspect that the sharing of knowledge and encouragement of developing wisdom is, to some, a threatening prospect. Perhaps they have experienced learning difficulties and are struggling with shame and frustration, or perhaps they disagree strongly with the concept of an intellectually liberated population. Libraries are, after all, a pillar of liberalism.
- wolco 7y ago
  More likely just trying to have fun. I'm sure they would do the same to local schools.
- inimino 7y ago
  That's sad to hear, I always love coming across the little free libraries. I would guess they were just bored and angry teens, likely not making any deeper statement but just expressing their anger and frustration and willingness to break the rules. Also, it's fun to watch things burn, and they come with built-in kindling. Hopefully some judge will make them rebuild what they burned, that would be fair and give them more appreciation for the work of others that they destroyed thoughtlessly.
- segfaultbuserr 7y ago
  > or perhaps they disagree strongly with the concept of an intellectually liberated population. Libraries are, after all, a pillar of liberalism. Thoughtful comment. I would agree with you if the attack is somehow organized at 4chan /b/, Kiwi Farms, or some underground IRC for mysterious or unexplained reasons. If it happens, its philosophical implications would be deep. And I won't surprise if it occurs one day. But so far there's no evidence to suggest the attack has any ideological motivation beyond making the attacker famous.
aaron695 7y ago
> Just like trying to set your local public library on fire. No, more like superglueing the doors shut for a few hours. Don't really see the damage, especially since they moved onto Twitch and WOW servers, I'd say more work and a few early nights sleep has got done in the end.

There’s lots of dirty politics on WP. Not sure about other countries, but Russian government is very involved in whitewashing it’s activities.

tempguy9999 7y ago
How interesting. Could you post some evidence? Thanks!
- toxik 7y ago
  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, so by that symmetry this shouldn’t require much evidence.
  - d0mine 7y ago
    if something is repeated a lot, it doesn't make it true. Though it does make it more believable to common folk according to Goebbels https://www.azquotes.com/author/5626-Joseph_Goebbels https://www.azquotes.com/author/5626-Joseph_Goebbels
    - Kaiyou 7y ago
      Also, Napoleon. Repetition is really effective.
    - toxik 7y ago
      Russian fake news is widespread and easy to find. How can this be controversial, and even downvoted on HN of all places? Russian military shot down a plane full of politicians over Ukraine, and boldly lied about it in the international press. This is just one of literally hundreds of such instances. Russia has been caught numerous times trying to sway elections across the world. How on earth is “Russia whitewashes its name on wikipedia” needing substantiation? It seems obvious, even.
      - keymone 7y ago
        plane full of civilians you mean? plane full of politicians crashed over russian territory in 2010.
- keymone 7y ago
  Here you go: https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Википедия:К_оценке_источников#Некоторые_сайты,_связанные_с_РИА_ФАН https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Википедия:К_оценке_источнико... Edit: also https://www.the-village.ru/village/city/news-city/358231-spam-list https://www.the-village.ru/village/city/news-city/358231-spa...
Chris_Chambers 7y ago
Oh, look. It’s a redditor.

cycloptic 7y ago

You can't grow a non-profit that large without angering someone. There will always be folks who believe they are more deserving of the "free money."

tempguy9999 7y ago
Some people just like to break things. It's that simple.
- cycloptic 7y ago
  That doesn't appear to be the case here. This was done for the attention, not just for the thrill of breaking things.
  - krispbyte 7y ago
    Probably proving their skills to potential clients.

mistrial9 7y ago

except, mental states are perhaps less stable than physical ones, ultimately, and using a 'web site' is largely a mental model on the part of the user, while a technical model on the part of the provider. Dysfunctional mental drivers + lots of access + lots of time .. versus a door that locks each night and an alert attendant or three.. This is dismaying but not shocking.. the first time I saw a newly planted tree on an otherwise bleak urban block, vandalized and broken, I realized that a drive towards "better" is not to be taken for granted, and needs protection.

RyanAF7 7y ago
Or maybe stop planting trees if your people are so ignored and powerless they feel the need to destroy it.

dleslie 7y ago

There was a string of arson attacks on little free libraries in Metro Vancouver; eventually a pair of teenage boys were arrested. I suspect that the sharing of knowledge and encouragement of developing wisdom is, to some, a threatening prospect. Perhaps they have experienced learning difficulties and are struggling with shame and frustration, or perhaps they disagree strongly with the concept of an intellectually liberated population. Libraries are, after all, a pillar of liberalism.

wolco 7y ago
More likely just trying to have fun. I'm sure they would do the same to local schools.
inimino 7y ago
That's sad to hear, I always love coming across the little free libraries. I would guess they were just bored and angry teens, likely not making any deeper statement but just expressing their anger and frustration and willingness to break the rules. Also, it's fun to watch things burn, and they come with built-in kindling. Hopefully some judge will make them rebuild what they burned, that would be fair and give them more appreciation for the work of others that they destroyed thoughtlessly.
segfaultbuserr 7y ago
> or perhaps they disagree strongly with the concept of an intellectually liberated population. Libraries are, after all, a pillar of liberalism. Thoughtful comment. I would agree with you if the attack is somehow organized at 4chan /b/, Kiwi Farms, or some underground IRC for mysterious or unexplained reasons. If it happens, its philosophical implications would be deep. And I won't surprise if it occurs one day. But so far there's no evidence to suggest the attack has any ideological motivation beyond making the attacker famous.

aaron695 7y ago

> Just like trying to set your local public library on fire. No, more like superglueing the doors shut for a few hours. Don't really see the damage, especially since they moved onto Twitch and WOW servers, I'd say more work and a few early nights sleep has got done in the end.