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Boise is at the wrong end of a fire-hose of people leaving big cities in CA and will likely have the same economic growth and social problems as other cities wi

Boise is at the wrong end of a fire-hose of people leaving big cities in CA and will likely have the same economic growth and social problems as other cities with similiar circumstances. Grouping it with Denver, Portland, Austin makes sense. Indianapolis I'm not so sure about.

mkr-hn 7y ago
You can see this out in Northeast Metro Atlanta. People flee the perimeter to escape the things they hate about the city. Then they realize they miss what they like about the city, so that gets built, and now they move further out. Repeat. Now I-85/985, I-20, and every highway between them is littered with tiny Atlantas at every exit for 50+ miles. Every former bedroom community is turning into its own little city. At least some of them are trying to manage it in a way that leaves them better off once the exodus ends and flips back around. People seem to have decided 50 miles is enough, so the escapist development has turned to the west and north sides.
- llampx 7y ago
  > Every former bedroom community is turning into its own little city. Isn't that a good thing, if you want people to have everything they need in their own neighborhood, rather than needing to commute 20 miles for a Costco and another 10 miles for a latte? I'd rather have smaller (potentially walkable) communities than rows and rows of suburban housing where people just get in their car to drive elsewhere when they need to do something.
  - a3n 7y ago
    Agreed. Highly recommend Alexander's "A Pattern Language." I just did an insanely massive purge, and this is one of the few books I kept. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pattern_Language https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pattern_Language https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_design_pattern https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_design_pattern
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BurningFrog 7y ago
California is unique in having prop 13 and other misfeatures that guarantees next to zero housing gets built when population increases. Boise will have some growth pains, but it will have to really screw up to become California.
- chiph 7y ago
  One thing though, is the influx of ex-Californians will change the culture of Boise (not judging - just saying it will). Soon they will petition In/Out Burgers to open there, and bring other California cultural touch-stones to Idaho.
  - BurningFrog 7y ago
    Perhaps. But remember that those who leave California are probably the ones who like it the least!
    - rayiner 7y ago
      They don’t understand that their culture/policies is what causes the housing problems in California to begin with.
a3n 7y ago
The same fire hose angst was happening in Seattle in the 80s and 90s. Now the newcomers are Seattle.

mkr-hn 7y ago

You can see this out in Northeast Metro Atlanta. People flee the perimeter to escape the things they hate about the city. Then they realize they miss what they like about the city, so that gets built, and now they move further out. Repeat. Now I-85/985, I-20, and every highway between them is littered with tiny Atlantas at every exit for 50+ miles. Every former bedroom community is turning into its own little city. At least some of them are trying to manage it in a way that leaves them better off once the exodus ends and flips back around. People seem to have decided 50 miles is enough, so the escapist development has turned to the west and north sides.

llampx 7y ago
> Every former bedroom community is turning into its own little city. Isn't that a good thing, if you want people to have everything they need in their own neighborhood, rather than needing to commute 20 miles for a Costco and another 10 miles for a latte? I'd rather have smaller (potentially walkable) communities than rows and rows of suburban housing where people just get in their car to drive elsewhere when they need to do something.
- a3n 7y ago
  Agreed. Highly recommend Alexander's "A Pattern Language." I just did an insanely massive purge, and this is one of the few books I kept. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pattern_Language https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pattern_Language https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_design_pattern https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_design_pattern
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BurningFrog 7y ago

California is unique in having prop 13 and other misfeatures that guarantees next to zero housing gets built when population increases. Boise will have some growth pains, but it will have to really screw up to become California.

chiph 7y ago
One thing though, is the influx of ex-Californians will change the culture of Boise (not judging - just saying it will). Soon they will petition In/Out Burgers to open there, and bring other California cultural touch-stones to Idaho.
- BurningFrog 7y ago
  Perhaps. But remember that those who leave California are probably the ones who like it the least!
  - rayiner 7y ago
    They don’t understand that their culture/policies is what causes the housing problems in California to begin with.

a3n 7y ago

The same fire hose angst was happening in Seattle in the 80s and 90s. Now the newcomers are Seattle.