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I think you are unnecessarily making this political. Even if India was successful at landing i dont think the government would count it as 'their' achievement

I think you are unnecessarily making this political. Even if India was successful at landing i dont think the government would count it as 'their' achievement rather would be counted as an achievement of the whole nation. And even 'non-blind' followers would celebrate, given how everyone were on edge of their seats yesterday. Also no one is bashing Nehru because he started ISRO. Calling the moon landing a government PR gimmick is highly irrespectful to the scientists behind this.

missosoup 7y ago
> I think you are unnecessarily making this political GP is just highlighting that India's ruling party made this unnecessarily political. I'm not sure why it's being downvoted when it's factually accurate and is interesting in the context of the discussion. This is exactly the same thing that was going on in the Soviet Union where space project schedules were dictated by key party dates and celebrations. Not sure if it was a factor here, but multiple Soviet missions suffered due to being pushed to meet politically motivated party deadlines. Most of the science is indeed onboard the orbiter. The mission was a success for the scientists.
- nithinm 7y ago
  The assumption GP made is that government deliberately planned their 100 days in office and the moon landing date to coincide. But the actual date of mission was different and was posponded last minute(literally) because of a leakage. So if the ruling party (ruling for past 5 years) really wanted the dates to coincide they would have easily scheduled the initial date to coincide. So there is no 'factual' correctness in the comment. And adding political angle and then comparing India to Soviet based on that is unnecessary.
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  - thewhitetulip 7y ago
    He has not ruled "since 5yrs" His second term just started in May
- sbmthakur 7y ago
  > GP is just highlighting that India's ruling party made this unnecessarily political. I'm not sure why it's being downvoted when it's factually accurate and is interesting in the context of the discussion. Could you share some citations to justify your comment? There is no evidence out there that Chandrayaan was politicized by the Government. ISRO is funded by the Government and Department of Space directly comes under the PM. So, there is bound to be some Government/Minister presence.
  - mav3rick 7y ago
    Why should there be something distracting on launch day ?
    - sbmthakur 7y ago
      Distracting to whom? The scientists were pretty much focussed with their tasks.
      - mav3rick 7y ago
        You are telling me ISRO spent no resources catering to this visit. Even 0.1% of resources, mindshare and energy wasted on landing day is stupid IMO. Do all speeches, visits the next day. Modi was clearly there for a photo op.
        thewhitetulip 7y ago
        To be fair, I remember PM Manmohan Singh also in ISRO live streams so that wasn't it. My issue is that the 100 day celebration was timed around rover landing and unfortunately rover did not land.
stochastic_monk 7y ago
Considering the recent occupation, house arrest, and disabling of all cellular communications of the entire region of Kashmir, it’s worth considering the possibility that this scientific effort was made for political ends.
- hgoel 7y ago
  The thing was on its way to the Moon already by that time. The mission has been a long time making, it's pretty disrespectful to the effort of all the scientists to limit it to just distraction from Kashmir. Especially since it isn't as if showing an interest in space is a first for Modi.
  - stochastic_monk 7y ago
    Modi’s been in power for years. This is an initiative started while he was in office. My point isn’t that it’s a distraction, but that it’s also about building party power. Kashmir is just the brightest, clearest signal regarding the goals of his administration. Edit: While the push to complete it came in 2015, it was (see poster below) in the works as far back as 2007, and I was mistaken to think it’s directly attributable to Modi.
    - valarauko 7y ago
      Chandrayaan 2 was approved in 2008 by the UPA government of Manmohan Singh. The mission was planned for 2012-13, with Russia to provide the lander. Russian delays forced ISRO to start development on its own lander in 2015. It's just lazy to lay every action at Modi's feet.
- ajonit 7y ago
  Reading a lot of nytimes or bbc editorial these days? Do you have any idea about the history of Kashmir and how it is infested with Pakistan trained terrorists.?
- sbmthakur 7y ago
  And there has been no terrorism in Kashmir since decades, right?
thewhitetulip 7y ago
> Also no one is bashing Nehru because he started ISRO Respectfully, you are not right. Just go down this thread and you'll find one comment which says "Just because Nehru did one thing right doesn't absolve his wrongs" There has been a coordinated attempt to distort history and malign Nehru. Not claiming that he did not screw up, he did. But he doesn't get credit due to the misinformation campaign

missosoup 7y ago

> I think you are unnecessarily making this political GP is just highlighting that India's ruling party made this unnecessarily political. I'm not sure why it's being downvoted when it's factually accurate and is interesting in the context of the discussion. This is exactly the same thing that was going on in the Soviet Union where space project schedules were dictated by key party dates and celebrations. Not sure if it was a factor here, but multiple Soviet missions suffered due to being pushed to meet politically motivated party deadlines. Most of the science is indeed onboard the orbiter. The mission was a success for the scientists.

nithinm 7y ago
The assumption GP made is that government deliberately planned their 100 days in office and the moon landing date to coincide. But the actual date of mission was different and was posponded last minute(literally) because of a leakage. So if the ruling party (ruling for past 5 years) really wanted the dates to coincide they would have easily scheduled the initial date to coincide. So there is no 'factual' correctness in the comment. And adding political angle and then comparing India to Soviet based on that is unnecessary.
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- thewhitetulip 7y ago
  He has not ruled "since 5yrs" His second term just started in May
sbmthakur 7y ago
> GP is just highlighting that India's ruling party made this unnecessarily political. I'm not sure why it's being downvoted when it's factually accurate and is interesting in the context of the discussion. Could you share some citations to justify your comment? There is no evidence out there that Chandrayaan was politicized by the Government. ISRO is funded by the Government and Department of Space directly comes under the PM. So, there is bound to be some Government/Minister presence.
- mav3rick 7y ago
  Why should there be something distracting on launch day ?
  - sbmthakur 7y ago
    Distracting to whom? The scientists were pretty much focussed with their tasks.
    - mav3rick 7y ago
      You are telling me ISRO spent no resources catering to this visit. Even 0.1% of resources, mindshare and energy wasted on landing day is stupid IMO. Do all speeches, visits the next day. Modi was clearly there for a photo op.
      - thewhitetulip 7y ago
        To be fair, I remember PM Manmohan Singh also in ISRO live streams so that wasn't it. My issue is that the 100 day celebration was timed around rover landing and unfortunately rover did not land.

stochastic_monk 7y ago

Considering the recent occupation, house arrest, and disabling of all cellular communications of the entire region of Kashmir, it’s worth considering the possibility that this scientific effort was made for political ends.

hgoel 7y ago
The thing was on its way to the Moon already by that time. The mission has been a long time making, it's pretty disrespectful to the effort of all the scientists to limit it to just distraction from Kashmir. Especially since it isn't as if showing an interest in space is a first for Modi.
- stochastic_monk 7y ago
  Modi’s been in power for years. This is an initiative started while he was in office. My point isn’t that it’s a distraction, but that it’s also about building party power. Kashmir is just the brightest, clearest signal regarding the goals of his administration. Edit: While the push to complete it came in 2015, it was (see poster below) in the works as far back as 2007, and I was mistaken to think it’s directly attributable to Modi.
  - valarauko 7y ago
    Chandrayaan 2 was approved in 2008 by the UPA government of Manmohan Singh. The mission was planned for 2012-13, with Russia to provide the lander. Russian delays forced ISRO to start development on its own lander in 2015. It's just lazy to lay every action at Modi's feet.
ajonit 7y ago
Reading a lot of nytimes or bbc editorial these days? Do you have any idea about the history of Kashmir and how it is infested with Pakistan trained terrorists.?
sbmthakur 7y ago
And there has been no terrorism in Kashmir since decades, right?

thewhitetulip 7y ago

> Also no one is bashing Nehru because he started ISRO Respectfully, you are not right. Just go down this thread and you'll find one comment which says "Just because Nehru did one thing right doesn't absolve his wrongs" There has been a coordinated attempt to distort history and malign Nehru. Not claiming that he did not screw up, he did. But he doesn't get credit due to the misinformation campaign